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you're in the para cast the gold

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gene Stein so here's the deal Chris

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O'Brien is he's not taking a sabbatical

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I really shouldn't say that he's got

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to meet and won't be here to talk with

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us and of course our guest this week

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Walter Bosley on the other hand at the

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very last very last second artist we

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reached into our selection of potential

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guest co-hosts and we asked a gentleman

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by the name of Randall Murphy to join us

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you know him in the forums as usual

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suspect so hi there Randall hi gene so

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here's what we're doing this week we'll

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have Walter Bosley in our next segment

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but you and I should talk a little bit

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did you hear the after the para cast

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episode with Monty Shriver that yeah

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that was excellent I think that's a must

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listen to for anyone who's interested in

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UFO crashes that was fantastic yeah well

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here's the thing he did an incredible

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amount of work in looking into the Aztec

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case and was unable to verify anything

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but he did tell me after the episode he

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made a mistake he said he misspoke when

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he said that Virgil Riggs one of the key

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figures in Aztec attended Harvard he

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went to Columbia University that's the

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era but this guy is so deliberate and

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careful about checking his facts well

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that's a that's a minor thing compared

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to all the other claims that are made

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that really can't be they're very well

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substantiated or substantiated at all

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really it's mostly just rumors and

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interesting stories the thing here is

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I'm reasonably satisfied at this point

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that Aztec was the creation of one of

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the people mentioned in the book from

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Frank's going and that's it that seems

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to be the most

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reasonable explanation at this point I

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mean there's so much mythology about

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that and yet when you go looking and

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there's no evidence of roads there what

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were they doing did they completely

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deconstruct them all and cover

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everything back up so that there's not a

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trace left of it anywhere it just

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doesn't make much sense you're right but

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you know if there's any rumor at all

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when you add that to the desperation

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that people have to look for evidence

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about UFOs and sometimes they just go

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overboard and I think that was the

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problem with Steinman in his book and

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Wendell Stevens that they were probably

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too desperate to find things and they

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tried to I guess take the book behind

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the flying saucers and look into the

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background of it but what has always

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been troublesome about Aztec is that it

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doesn't originate before the Scully book

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people in tech New Mexico a town of

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about 800 at the time remember nothing

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how do you do that how do you have all

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these military people showing up to drag

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this huge flying saucer away you know

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people in a town that small those of you

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who live in small towns will understand

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can't sneeze without somebody knowing it

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how big a city that you grew up in

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Randall well I'm originally born in

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Calgary here we back then it was fairly

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small City it's now over a million

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people but I also grew up out in place

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called Invermere which is on Lake

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Windermere which is nearest Fairmont and

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radium hot springs in BC small town a

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couple of thousand people and you're

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absolutely right if anything happens

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everybody knows about it within a week

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or less and people have long memories

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there they considered reminisce about

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the good old days a long time ago and

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they'd be doing that if there was any

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remembrance of it well I hope that ends

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it but doesn't you know what happens in

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the UFO field you do bunk something you

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show there's no factual basis for it

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and people will say yes there is you're

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still people following George Adamski

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he's a real deal that actually kind of

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amazes me we think one of the British

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researchers who I had really had a great

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respect for Tim good he actually was I

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was surprised to hear him say that he

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was still kind of a believer in giving

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credibility to the Adamski case that how

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does that happen and he was one of the

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best researchers in the field at one

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time so I was surprised we had him on on

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December 22nd 2013 Chris and I and I

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remember that sure and he goes into this

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Adamski thing and saying what what are

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you doing man now on the previous

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occasion it was January 13th 2008 I

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don't recall him pushing Adamski then I

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think he must have some assistance with

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his editing and research and somehow

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this this one just slipped by him I'm

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not sure how he'd worked for Koufos and

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assisted them I I don't really get it

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but these things do come up and how they

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keep resurrecting as it's just a matter

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of regurgitating the same thing somebody

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digs it up and goes oh this is

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interesting doesn't do much follow-up

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research on it or trusts somebody who

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they think is credible and the next

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way the UFO field works this is why

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Pope but not talking about Rendlesham or

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speaking of conspiracies I've been in

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touch with Ken Thomas Ken Thomas of

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course was our original conspiracy

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theory guest on the power cast lo these

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many years ago starting in 2006 he's got

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conspiracies hold up after lo these many

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assassination I remember hearing the

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latest sembly men from New York Mark

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then I told Jim Mosely about it of

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lectures with me and we had dinner after

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the session in those days I had later

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case we'll be talking a little bit about

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conspiracies in a sense here because

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we've got our old friend Walter Bosley

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of course he worked as an AF OSI agent

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he worked with the FBI and he has this

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incredible background he's got this book

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race and perception management our

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suspect in the forums

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Walter Bosley's coming you're in the

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para cast comm returning to the power

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cast is our old friend Walter Bosley

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with all this FBI and intelligence stuff

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uh now that the key here of course when

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you have Walter Bosley there's a million

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things to talk about but one thing we

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won't talk about much is politics and as

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Walter and I observe just a moment ago

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before we started you can't do that

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anymore people are too polarized no more

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politics on the power cast but then we

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talked about air force secrecy about

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UFOs and disclosure and we're talking

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about government agents and we're

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talking about men in black and that gets

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in the politics but then it's not

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necessarily republican and democratic

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politics so we've got to watch ourselves

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Walter sorry about that hey no apologies

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necessary I'm happy to avoid that

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there's so many other things to talk

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about still now before we had you on and

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I know you've written about Roswell I

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mentioned a special guest we had on the

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after the power cast podcast a

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supplementary show Monty Shriver who is

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retired professor and accountant who

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lived in Aztec New Mexico he was a

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teenager when supposedly a flying saucer

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crashed there and he spent an entire

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year trying to verify the case including

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talking to the people at his class

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reunion his 50th class reunion saying

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anyone remember this no isn't that

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interesting but to me that's kind of the

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the state of where Roswell is at right

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now is that there's so much that when

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when people kind of take a step back and

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take a breath and really dig into it

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they're finding that these things

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that people have accepted as the facts

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for you know 30-some years or more since

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Roswell became popular are turning out

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to not be so and minoo thirty years of

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that it's definitely hurt investigation

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of the case because now we're I mean

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decades beyond even where we were when

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it entered the public view so it hurts

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trying to find the truth about Roswell

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and we're back at square one because of

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this well certainly I'm glad to say an

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Azteca side oh yeah yeah because that

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that one you know that that's that's

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kind of an offshoot of the whole Roswell

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thing and it has been out there

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lingering and people have gone back and

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forth on it and you know it's important

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to clarify these issues but sometimes

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people want to just cling to the popular

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myth so you know clarification is made

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all the more difficult you know they

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just don't want to let go what they want

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to believe and I I think I think we're

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finally at a point at Roswell where for

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example with Roswell I know we're

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talking about Aztec but you know with

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any of these you know I think we're at

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the point where there's enough

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saturation of the one particular

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hypothesis and nothing's really coming

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of it that people are ready to kind of

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look at these situations fresh and

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consider other options well last week we

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had Nick Redfern on and he's got two

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books about Roswell body-snatchers in

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the desert and the Roswell UFO

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conspiracy and as you know he's got a

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viewpoint that says involves some kind

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of human experimentation rather nasty

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rather dirty kind of stuff grisly as far

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as I can see now you of course have

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approached this where do you think Nick

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went with this does it look to you as

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something credible I liked about you

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know Nick's

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approach is that yeah he's look

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from something through something other

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than the usual ET hypothesis filter

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because there are you know details and

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little little bits about this case in

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these other cases that kind of defy the

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the ET hypothesis as an answer and

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whereas I have no problem with the

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possibility that what Nick has come

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across and what he proposes is something

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that might well have gone on you know my

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position on Roswell is that there

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there's other factors that would speak

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to something else other than than that

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however you know as you know in in my

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book that I've recently put out there

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you know on my approach to Roswell I do

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state that one of the possibilities is

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some type of secret classified project

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you know I say that it might have been a

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classified first attempt at manned

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spaceflight by you know the United

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States and the Operation Paperclip Nazis

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that we inherited and maybe they did use

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folks who had had some type of medical

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or physical issue because they

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considered them expendable

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now that of course puts it in a category

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that some might says you know nasty and

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reprehensible yeah which would serve the

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purpose of why such a tight lid would be

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clamped down on it because it would be

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embarrassing so in that regard Nick

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might be onto something but I definitely

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acknowledge that but but primarily the

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the value of next approach is to you

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know Nick goes into this he's a

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journalist he really does approach all

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this stuff like a real journalist he

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jumps in and he digs things out he

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presents what he finds and you know he

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presents ideas when he does theorize

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based on stuff that he finds and it's I

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think it's as reasonable as anything

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else that's out there if not more so

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than some so yeah I give him kudos for

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pointing out something other than the et

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hypothesis I saying

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the problem is in those early days there

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was a lot of experimentation going on

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this is right after World War Two we get

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all the Nazi scientists who were

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instrumental in giving us a space

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program we have all this other stuff we

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have the technology the scientific

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experiments we acquired from the Nazis

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in the Japanese right and I think it's

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very likely we did funky things oh you

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know I would have to agree with that

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statement because you know as you know

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it was when I went into writing about my

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dad's when I jumped in to do this book

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on my dad's situation and I discovered

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how instrumental how at the core of

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MKULTRA and in just Operation Paperclip

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itself was Army Air Corps and and of

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course US Air Force aerospace medicine

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was really the main driver in Operation

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Paperclip I had not realized that that

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that it really was the Colonel Harry

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Armstrong in general Benson who started

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the aerospace medicine division within

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Army Air Corps which became the Air

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Forces and these were the guys that were

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really pushing at the end of World War

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two to get these Nazi scientists for

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their their aviation medicine this is

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what much of the US Air Force in

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aerospace medicine aviation medicine

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division and manned space travel the

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pursuit of that was based upon was what

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these guys wanted to get from these Nazi

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scientists and going back to what you

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said we know what reprehensible awful

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things the Nazis had been doing in their

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medical experimentation so you know yeah

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it like you state and like Nick proposes

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this is why it's not unreasonable to

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consider the value of where Nick you

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know goes with that and where you know

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what we're discussing

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let's break here we'll have Walter

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Bosley his latest book is shimmering

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light our guest co-host is Randall

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596
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hey this is Marie D Jones the author of

597
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this book is from the future and you are

598
00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:23,560
listening to the podcast the gold

599
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:35,020
standard of paranormal radio yes we have

600
00:27:39,770 --> 00:27:36,790
the one and only Walter Bosley joining

601
00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:39,780
us his book is shimmering light and

602
00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:42,340
Randall Murphy is our guest co-host

603
00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:45,340
Chris O'Brien is off on we'll call it

604
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:47,350
special assignment I'll be back next

605
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:49,750
week and we were talking about I don't

606
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:50,650
know if you combed the good old days

607
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:52,930
after World War 2 where so many crazy

608
00:27:59,340 --> 00:27:55,570
things went on how much of that stuff

609
00:28:03,420 --> 00:27:59,350
Walter Bosley is still maybe unknown or

610
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:03,430
lost in the rumor category oh wow well

611
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:07,570
we know for a fact that in the 1973

612
00:28:11,670 --> 00:28:09,910
Church Commission when the CIA was

613
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:11,680
pretty much ordered by Congress to

614
00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:14,110
reveal what they had been doing under

615
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:18,630
MKULTRA we know that the CIA was only

616
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:22,150
required to reveal what they had been

617
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:24,850
doing under MKULTRA what the public

618
00:28:31,050 --> 00:28:27,760
didn't know what kind of slit by was

619
00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:31,060
that the Air Force US Air Force and the

620
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:32,440
other branches had done a little bit of

621
00:28:37,470 --> 00:28:34,140
it but the US Air Force had

622
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:37,480
enthusiastically latched on to MKULTRA

623
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,260
in the 50s

624
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:41,440
and started their own separate program

625
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:44,770
and they've never been ordered by

626
00:28:51,290 --> 00:28:47,230
Congress or anyone to reveal what they

627
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:51,300
had done or do under that program so

628
00:28:56,970 --> 00:28:54,670
you're looking at whatever it is the Air

629
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:56,980
Force and for that matter really the

630
00:29:01,470 --> 00:28:58,330
rest of the military the Department of

631
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:01,480
Defense has ever done under MKULTRA that

632
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:02,890
would remain classified to this day

633
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,050
because they they weren't required to

634
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:07,600
reveal it so imagine there you know to

635
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:09,790
answer your question imagine what a big

636
00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:13,570
chunk of something you know might be

637
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:16,270
there who knows

638
00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:18,850
to what extent they've taken it we're

639
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:21,640
talking decades now we're you know 60

640
00:29:27,550 --> 00:29:24,370
years or more that

641
00:29:30,010 --> 00:29:27,560
this dates back so your guess is as good

642
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:30,020
as mine what could still be out there to

643
00:29:34,090 --> 00:29:31,850
be found out well sure

644
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:34,100
one thing I kind of like to focus here

645
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:36,950
on though is you know why should we sort

646
00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:40,190
of dismiss the possibility of alien

647
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:42,590
visitation as a possible explanation for

648
00:29:47,890 --> 00:29:45,440
some of these things like Friedman says

649
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,900
you know there's everything else that is

650
00:29:54,330 --> 00:29:50,480
out there besides UFOs and then there

651
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:54,340
are UFOs so sure maybe we have some

652
00:29:59,980 --> 00:29:57,650
secret technology and maybe there's been

653
00:30:01,900 --> 00:29:59,990
some psychological manipulation but what

654
00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:01,910
about the real thing how does that

655
00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:04,190
relate to the real thing are these

656
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:06,470
programs being used as disinformation to

657
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:08,450
cover that up or what do you what's your

658
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:09,230
take on that

659
00:30:14,890 --> 00:30:13,070
Walter they certainly could be used of

660
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:14,900
course is just information to cover-up

661
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:17,750
but remember those of us who you know

662
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:20,090
advocate you know my position what I'm

663
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:22,850
saying is is that I no longer buy that

664
00:30:28,140 --> 00:30:26,000
Roswell was an et situation

665
00:30:32,260 --> 00:30:28,150
automatically you know we have seen

666
00:30:34,270 --> 00:30:32,270
decades of the et hypothesis being

667
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:34,280
pushed at the forefront of Roswell and

668
00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:36,290
even assume that that's red and we're

669
00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:38,030
speaking I'm speaking of Roswell here as

670
00:30:43,270 --> 00:30:40,430
an example you know we've seen that

671
00:30:46,510 --> 00:30:43,280
pushed as the foremost the accepted

672
00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:46,520
theory and time and time again and in

673
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:48,200
the last couple of decades we just see

674
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:50,750
it fall apart because you know witness

675
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:53,480
memory turns out to not be that good or

676
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:56,090
in some cases they you know some of them

677
00:31:04,000 --> 00:30:59,840
were just making stuff up it in that

678
00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:04,010
particular case the ET hypothesis has

679
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:04,820
fallen apart

680
00:31:10,030 --> 00:31:08,570
really however I've always said you know

681
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:10,040
I'll say it here and I've said it

682
00:31:15,130 --> 00:31:12,710
elsewhere I I don't completely discount

683
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:15,140
the ET hypothesis I don't do that at all

684
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:18,200
i I've said I I think I'm convinced that

685
00:31:23,530 --> 00:31:20,150
they're out there and that they come and

686
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:23,540
visit this planet I just don't think

687
00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:28,010
that ET in you know well into the 90

688
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:31,400
percentile of things that et is the the

689
00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:33,890
answer that so many people go to I mean

690
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:34,980
you know we're in a

691
00:31:40,580 --> 00:31:38,070
now were minoo take take for instance

692
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:40,590
the popular TV show it has become a meme

693
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:44,220
you know if somebody can't find you know

694
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:46,169
the mustard in the pantry oh it's aliens

695
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:49,559
you know and I give that as an example

696
00:31:54,139 --> 00:31:51,510
but you know we we've been to that point

697
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,149
where everybody's need your assumption

698
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:56,460
now is oh it's et and when you look

699
00:32:01,399 --> 00:31:59,130
closely it's I just I and a lot of

700
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:01,409
others increasingly just don't think

701
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:03,899
that's the case we want to we want to

702
00:32:06,919 --> 00:32:05,610
encourage you know take a step back and

703
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:06,929
you know look at the other possibilities

704
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:09,899
et is certainly in the mix I grant you

705
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,299
that and I've always said that et is

706
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:14,000
definitely in the mix on these things

707
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:19,470
but it's not necessarily the sure thing

708
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:21,450
that's really the main point oh

709
00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:24,360
absolutely I don't think any responsible

710
00:32:28,899 --> 00:32:26,190
ufologist would automatically jump to

711
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:28,909
the conclusion that something strange is

712
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:32,970
alien right you know what you said there

713
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:35,010
was key though you said responsible

714
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:37,769
ufologists there's there's a whole lot

715
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,409
of irresponsible ufologists out there

716
00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:42,240
you know you could say but yeah yeah

717
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:43,830
you're right I agree with you the the

718
00:32:47,659 --> 00:32:45,720
good ones know exactly what we're

719
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:47,669
talking about here so how would you

720
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:49,740
differentiate between the two then we've

721
00:32:53,299 --> 00:32:51,090
got some really interesting stories

722
00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:53,309
which you know we really got to get into

723
00:32:56,899 --> 00:32:55,380
that because your stories are always

724
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:56,909
really interesting how do we

725
00:33:00,799 --> 00:32:58,500
differentiate between what's going on

726
00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:00,809
there and what may be happening with

727
00:33:07,879 --> 00:33:04,230
alien visitation then with going on

728
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:07,889
we're in the non alien possibilities or

729
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:11,850
yeah your theories on breakaway

730
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:14,010
civilizations for example right that

731
00:33:17,659 --> 00:33:15,450
sort of thing where there might be some

732
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:17,669
sort of hidden technology or sector of

733
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:20,730
civilization producing technology that

734
00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:22,460
is mistaken for an alien visitation

735
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:28,230
right right well I've I've proposed from

736
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:31,679
my point of view et is in the mix but

737
00:33:35,470 --> 00:33:33,299
when you're talking for example about

738
00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:35,480
the breakaway civilization issue I think

739
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,679
et is in the mix ages ago man I've

740
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:42,659
spelled this out a couple of my books

741
00:33:46,129 --> 00:33:45,059
you know they came here from

742
00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:46,139
somewhere else they brought their

743
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:49,230
technology they kind of spiked human

744
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,419
civilization with it and then they

745
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:54,240
handed us the ball and then for ages you

746
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:56,340
know we carried it we lost it been

747
00:34:01,399 --> 00:33:58,740
trying to refined it again and it's been

748
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:01,409
long enough that in essence what what

749
00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:02,850
we're talking about here and what we're

750
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:04,679
trying to develop is has really kind of

751
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:06,870
become our own inherited many ages ago

752
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:11,609
by ET but at the same time yes other ETS

753
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:14,339
have come and gone I think and maybe

754
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:15,929
they've you know spiked it once them

755
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:21,089
also et is in the mix but you know in my

756
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:25,290
view we have this this parallel human

757
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:26,940
technology that has been developed

758
00:34:32,359 --> 00:34:30,089
through time and through history and for

759
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:32,369
whatever reason you know again spelled

760
00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:34,010
out in the details

761
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:36,540
you know they've chosen to keep it too

762
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:38,790
close to vest classified you know

763
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,290
particularly in the modern era when you

764
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:42,720
get into you know military issues you

765
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:44,250
know nations always feel like they need

766
00:34:50,809 --> 00:34:46,530
to keep their secret weapons secret that

767
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:50,819
kind of thing but you know I do think

768
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:55,770
that are legitimate classified military

769
00:35:02,420 --> 00:34:59,359
technology I think the stuff that is

770
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:02,430
owned by the military and controlled by

771
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:04,290
the military-industrial complex and

772
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:06,930
these human breakaway civilizations

773
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:10,440
I think these account for like I said

774
00:35:16,579 --> 00:35:14,130
another 90% of what people see but there

775
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:16,589
is that remaining you know somewhere but

776
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:18,359
somewhere between five to ten percent

777
00:35:26,359 --> 00:35:21,660
I'll say that I think is definitely the

778
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:26,369
something else either people from you

779
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:29,700
know possibly other dimensions or other

780
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:31,710
you know physical space worlds the the

781
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,710
classic ET model is definitely five to

782
00:35:41,059 --> 00:35:37,200
ten percent in my opinion would be that

783
00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:41,069
that would be in keeping with actually

784
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:42,680
the original project Bluebook

785
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,480
findings I think it was about well

786
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:47,280
actually twenty percent were unexplained

787
00:35:52,579 --> 00:35:49,140
but they reduced it down to about five

788
00:35:56,059 --> 00:35:52,589
percent afterwards with the Air Force

789
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:56,069
just sort of arbitrarily but I mean even

790
00:35:59,350 --> 00:35:57,720
they say there's a certain amount that

791
00:36:03,130 --> 00:35:59,360
just can't be explained even

792
00:36:05,020 --> 00:36:03,140
with what they know right right which is

793
00:36:08,110 --> 00:36:05,030
intriguing it's that that that little

794
00:36:10,570 --> 00:36:08,120
tidbit right there is I think the most

795
00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:10,580
intriguing little bit that brings all of

796
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:12,230
us from whatever perspective are coming

797
00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:14,660
from that brings all of us to that table

798
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:17,270
because we're all fascinated with that

799
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:19,910
little 5% I think and we all want to

800
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:23,630
know okay what is that I want to ask you

801
00:36:26,890 --> 00:36:25,430
a few more questions and going back to

802
00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:26,900
the old days and the government's

803
00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:30,380
influence on early UFO history in a

804
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:30,920
moment

805
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:33,520
once again the book is shimmering light

806
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:38,720
lost in MKULTRA how Savannah then Walter

807
00:36:42,970 --> 00:36:41,870
Bosley our guest co-host this week is

808
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:42,980
Randall Murphy

809
00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:45,490
some people know him in the forms as

810
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:49,460
usual suspect with Jean Walter and

811
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:03,490
thank you for listening to GCN

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early involvement of the government in

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UFOs are you familiar Walter with the

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book from James carrion where he wrote

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about the ghost rockets being some sort

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of government thing to spook the

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Russians I've heard him talk about it

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and I've wanted to read it but I haven't

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got my hands on it yet and I've heard

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about it yet see was that a deception

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mm-hmm and he was gonna write a book

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also about the Roswell deception which I

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presume continues the same vein and the

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unfortunate thing here is he's been kind

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of out of touch lately we were going to

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have him on the power cast a year or two

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back and then there was some family

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issues and so I don't know what take he

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makes on Roswell

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I'll assume though it's gonna be the

935
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same thing mm-hmm that UFOs being used

936
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as a cover for something else do we see

937
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that in the early days of the UFO field

938
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I don't see why not it's logical within

939
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you know this point of view that I've

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certainly advocated recently you know

941
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between breakaway civilization and in

942
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secret post-world War two attempts at

943
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manned space flights the UFOs would be

944
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the you know the classic mysterious et

945
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UFO would be the perfect cover for you

946
00:42:55,709 --> 00:42:51,549
know activities of those two particular

947
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adventures that I just described so we

948
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can say that it probably went on and

949
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even if that's too far out for folks you

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know UFOs is a cover for just plain old

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advanced aircraft technology or even for

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missile activity it is also a

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possibility so we have to say the answer

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that question would be yes that we there

955
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probably is an extended degree of

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using this whole UFO UFO thing to cover

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you know for for hidden classified

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technology certainly I'd agree with that

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I have a bit of a problem with that if

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we if maybe maybe we could see just sort

961
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of analyze this a bit we've got this

962
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top-secret memo from Wilbert Smith's to

963
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:51,010
the saying is that UFOs are more highly

964
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classified than the h-bomb that flying

965
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saucers exist that their modus operandi

966
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is unknown this is according to that

967
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memo the most secret highly classified

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project in pretty much their whole

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inventory why would they use that then

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as a cover for other things it to me

971
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this doesn't seem to make much sense

972
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I mean why that it'd be like using the

973
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Manhattan Project to cover for project

974
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ultra somehow I don't see the logic

975
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there well the the problem I have with

976
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the 1952 issue because that comes up I

977
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think you know the the mj-12

978
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papers have a 1952 connection and what a

979
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lot of times when people bring this up

980
00:44:46,110 --> 00:44:43,530
and relative to ufology is that the

981
00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:46,120
legit the joint intelligence community

982
00:44:52,020 --> 00:44:48,280
had been an assessment in the late 40s

983
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that said by 1952 we will be in total

984
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war with the Soviet Union okay clearly

985
00:45:02,250 --> 00:44:57,850
that did not happen but but that was

986
00:45:04,110 --> 00:45:02,260
when 1952 really first came up in these

987
00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:04,120
documents and it was a very real world

988
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:07,480
issue so what happened was that put the

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00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:08,890
year 1952

990
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out there on the table and there were a

991
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:15,430
few things discussed relative to this

992
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:17,830
Jek assessment the Joint Intelligence

993
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:19,810
Committee assessment that had been done

994
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:23,050
and people have been interpreting that

995
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:26,920
to mean et in in space UFOs and such

996
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:29,950
when that might not be what they what

997
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:31,610
they were talking about

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00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:34,020
[Music]

999
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:37,030
Mateus II the memo that you're talking

1000
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:38,680
about you know sitting in front of me to

1001
00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:40,930
comment further in an intelligent manner

1002
00:45:44,610 --> 00:45:43,000
I don't have it sitting in front of me

1003
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:44,620
it might be one of the ones I looked at

1004
00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:47,650
you know for my book but I looked at a

1005
00:45:53,070 --> 00:45:51,160
lot of things and do you recall who was

1006
00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:53,080
the author Wilbur Smith you said

1007
00:46:00,380 --> 00:45:56,350
Wilbert Smith he said this is the

1008
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,390
project magnet memo Canadian and

1009
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:03,280
apparently this documents now stored at

1010
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:05,050
the archives at the University of Ottawa

1011
00:46:11,970 --> 00:46:07,900
so okay we don't seem to have any reason

1012
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:11,980
to think that the matter wasn't more

1013
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,370
highly classified oh sure I problem with

1014
00:46:19,590 --> 00:46:17,920
the classification at all it's so I mean

1015
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:19,600
if they're classifying UFO is higher

1016
00:46:24,570 --> 00:46:21,490
than the h-bomb why are they using it as

1017
00:46:28,050 --> 00:46:24,580
a cover story for something less okay

1018
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:28,060
when I say using UFOs as a I have to

1019
00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:29,770
admit you know Mia culpa I thought it

1020
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,540
was implied we were talking about et

1021
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:34,240
UFOs okay

1022
00:46:40,020 --> 00:46:37,930
yes UFOs according to this document this

1023
00:46:42,330 --> 00:46:40,030
Canadian document were clearly in Canada

1024
00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:42,340
you know more classified than the the

1025
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:45,820
h-bomb these those particular UFOs might

1026
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:48,970
have been the classified technology that

1027
00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:51,910
was very earthbound very human source

1028
00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:53,620
that you know could have been from the

1029
00:46:59,010 --> 00:46:56,430
state they thought from the Soviet Union

1030
00:47:03,450 --> 00:46:59,020
okay I get the gist of what you're

1031
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:03,460
saying but the demo also says the places

1032
00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:05,770
exist and that their modus operandi is

1033
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:12,220
unknown so talking about existing

1034
00:47:19,830 --> 00:47:14,350
technology how could they say that it's

1035
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:19,840
unknown okay you can see an aircraft

1036
00:47:27,210 --> 00:47:24,240
okay some type of advanced aircraft and

1037
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:27,220
not know whether it's from the Russians

1038
00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:30,310
or the Chinese or the Lithuanian 's or

1039
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:33,190
the Venezuelans okay

1040
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:35,450
clearly you can see that it's some type

1041
00:47:39,490 --> 00:47:37,250
of earthbound technology but just not

1042
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:39,500
know who the sources as far as which

1043
00:47:45,789 --> 00:47:43,089
nation okay and I think that is probably

1044
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:45,799
speaking of logic more logically

1045
00:47:50,019 --> 00:47:47,750
reasonable that that's what unknown

1046
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:50,029
meant now what I was trying to say a

1047
00:47:59,259 --> 00:47:52,970
minute ago is that I think that they use

1048
00:48:01,509 --> 00:47:59,269
the et themed UFO idea as a cover for

1049
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:01,519
actual technological things in other

1050
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:03,890
words and I've said this in the past too

1051
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,170
when you're testing your advanced

1052
00:48:10,750 --> 00:48:08,720
aircraft let people think it's little

1053
00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:10,760
green men from Mars let people think

1054
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:13,309
it's little greys from Zeta Reticuli you

1055
00:48:19,809 --> 00:48:15,170
know that's better than them knowing

1056
00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:19,819
it's US Air Force okay that that's what

1057
00:48:25,150 --> 00:48:22,190
I mean by that I think that's a better

1058
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:25,160
clearer way to state what I was stating

1059
00:48:30,789 --> 00:48:29,119
earlier let me go back earlier in this

1060
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:30,799
thing since we're covering different

1061
00:48:35,799 --> 00:48:33,190
issues kind of catches that you can't

1062
00:48:37,059 --> 00:48:35,809
back with the Arnold sighting the

1063
00:48:39,099 --> 00:48:37,069
Kenneth Arnold sighting and it's

1064
00:48:42,819 --> 00:48:39,109
important to mention this year because

1065
00:48:51,789 --> 00:48:42,829
the anniversaries are coming up in the

1066
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:51,799
next few weeks 1947 2017 70 years since

1067
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:52,930
Kenneth Arnold

1068
00:48:58,690 --> 00:48:55,849
now the linchpin of that case is the

1069
00:49:02,259 --> 00:48:58,700
fact that these objects were traveling

1070
00:49:04,059 --> 00:49:02,269
at at least 1,200 miles an hour deny

1071
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:04,069
recall they actually Arnold really

1072
00:49:13,509 --> 00:49:06,410
originally estimated 1,500 but use a

1073
00:49:19,509 --> 00:49:13,519
lower figure now if he got that wrong

1074
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,519
and maybe it was 400 miles an hour it's

1075
00:49:22,990 --> 00:49:21,200
possible he was just looking at some

1076
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,000
kind of test aircraft or something

1077
00:49:30,849 --> 00:49:26,720
sure and where would the UFO field be

1078
00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:30,859
then exactly not where it wants to be

1079
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:34,700
for a lot of people well they were

1080
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:36,410
playing of other sightings besides

1081
00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:38,890
Arnold's I think afterwards since I

1082
00:49:42,999 --> 00:49:41,390
think we'd still have the mystery we

1083
00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:43,009
still wouldn't know what the unexplained

1084
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:44,350
ones are

1085
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:49,490
right we would have enough consideration

1086
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:52,930
of the other possibilities that perhaps

1087
00:49:59,380 --> 00:49:57,410
you know more of the mysterious

1088
00:50:01,890 --> 00:49:59,390
possibilities for lack of a better way

1089
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:01,900
to put it you know might have been

1090
00:50:10,090 --> 00:50:07,340
explored a little further so it's it's

1091
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:10,100
just it's just something that you know

1092
00:50:13,660 --> 00:50:11,690
needs to we kind of need to notch back

1093
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:13,670
and recognize you know look at what was

1094
00:50:19,420 --> 00:50:16,430
going on at the time and be a little bit

1095
00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:19,430
more honest with hey you know this could

1096
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:21,950
very well have been you know human

1097
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:23,690
technology which in itself is a

1098
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:26,740
fascinating solution but again I'll say

1099
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:30,080
that none of that eliminates totally the

1100
00:50:35,890 --> 00:50:32,410
more mysterious otherworldly

1101
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:35,900
possibilities being in the mix now

1102
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:37,310
here's something you might find

1103
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:37,900
interesting

1104
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:43,570
Walter also in the project magnet memo

1105
00:50:49,150 --> 00:50:46,250
apart from them not knowing what the

1106
00:50:53,770 --> 00:50:49,160
modus operandi is of UFOs it does

1107
00:50:55,210 --> 00:50:53,780
mention that the US authorities we're

1108
00:50:58,510 --> 00:50:55,220
looking into them and that one of the

1109
00:51:00,730 --> 00:50:58,520
possibilities that for the as an

1110
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:00,740
explanation is that there may be some

1111
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:02,570
sort of mental phenomena and you were

1112
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:07,010
just mentioning MKULTRA and so maybe

1113
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:08,650
there's some sort of connection there

1114
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:11,570
well oh yeah well there's two

1115
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:14,210
possibilities I see there you know the

1116
00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:15,770
one that a lot of people would go to of

1117
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:17,630
course would be gosh where the guy is

1118
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:20,800
messing with MKULTRA did they perhaps

1119
00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:24,950
create the phenomena somehow or or use

1120
00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:31,430
it to create this the this you know et

1121
00:51:42,730 --> 00:51:35,240
mythology welcome Bosley Jean Steinberg

1122
00:51:53,989 --> 00:51:49,120
[Music]

1123
00:51:57,779 --> 00:51:53,999
thank you for listening to GCS visit GCN

1124
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:01,180
Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

1125
00:52:06,180 --> 00:52:03,890
out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

1126
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:06,190
relentless perplexing nightmares

1127
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:08,569
nightmares of a horrific battle in deep

1128
00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:10,490
space and of a mysterious woman

1129
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:12,740
suffering an agony for her devastated

1130
00:52:19,890 --> 00:52:15,890
world a woman not yet born calling

1131
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:19,900
across centuries to him then a

1132
00:52:25,809 --> 00:52:22,490
coincidence leads him to his destiny his

1133
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,819
chance to alter the universe attack of

1134
00:52:29,799 --> 00:52:27,920
the Rockland rock the former fiction

1135
00:52:32,259 --> 00:52:29,809
editor for Star Wars and Indiana Jones

1136
00:52:34,420 --> 00:52:32,269
Robert Simpson writes the soul of the

1137
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:34,430
novel attack of the Rockets lies in its

1138
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:35,900
heart and passion for building a

1139
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:37,849
convincing tale of a love that spans the

1140
00:52:43,809 --> 00:52:40,910
galaxy a thrilling storm attacked of the

1141
00:52:45,579 --> 00:52:43,819
rocket is available now read a simple

1142
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:45,589
chapter and get a special discount off

1143
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:47,930
of the cover price at our website Rocco

1144
00:52:56,289 --> 00:52:53,210
is calm that's our Ock o IDs calm attack

1145
00:53:00,849 --> 00:52:56,299
of the Rockland a novel in the grand

1146
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,859
science-fiction tradition be prepared

1147
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:03,200
for the next disaster with the shelter

1148
00:53:07,749 --> 00:53:05,569
pod the shelter pod is a large all

1149
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,759
season heavy duty quick deploy shelter

1150
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:09,920
the shelter pods system can be set up in

1151
00:53:14,499 --> 00:53:12,170
30 seconds and includes an emergency

1152
00:53:16,809 --> 00:53:14,509
medical kit water filter survival tools

1153
00:53:18,579 --> 00:53:16,819
and more are you prepared to take care

1154
00:53:20,539 --> 00:53:18,589
of your family do you have everything in

1155
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:20,549
one place ready to go get

1156
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:22,380
now or enter to win a complete shelter

1157
00:53:27,439 --> 00:53:24,689
pod system at shelter pod calm the

1158
00:53:28,999 --> 00:53:27,449
shelter pod at shelter pod calm shelter

1159
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:29,009
when you need it most

1160
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:31,650
if these uncertain times it makes sense

1161
00:53:35,299 --> 00:53:33,390
to have a sustainable backup method to

1162
00:53:37,339 --> 00:53:35,309
cook food and boil water if your current

1163
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:37,349
plan includes using a fuel burning stove

1164
00:53:41,059 --> 00:53:39,209
or cooking over an open fire then

1165
00:53:42,769 --> 00:53:41,069
there's a much better way the Minuteman

1166
00:53:44,989 --> 00:53:42,779
rocket stove is a biomass burning

1167
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,999
cooking stove that only requires small

1168
00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:46,920
quantities of sticks and twigs for fuel

1169
00:53:50,479 --> 00:53:48,599
the Minuteman stove is easy to use

1170
00:53:52,489 --> 00:53:50,489
smokeless portable powerful and

1171
00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:52,499
sustainable for the finest and survival

1172
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,329
cooking stoves and fire starters made

1173
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:56,400
right here in the USA go to Minuteman

1174
00:54:02,290 --> 00:53:57,420
stove comm

1175
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:06,530
[Applause]

1176
00:54:14,540 --> 00:54:10,230
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1177
00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:14,550
standard of paranormal radio and now

1178
00:54:24,990 --> 00:54:22,990
here's Jane Steinberg so we look at this

1179
00:54:27,180 --> 00:54:25,000
situation here we have all these

1180
00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:27,190
government guys creating things and

1181
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:30,070
possibly creating a UFO mythology and

1182
00:54:34,050 --> 00:54:32,110
that creates another problem Walter

1183
00:54:37,410 --> 00:54:34,060
Bosley which is how do we separate the

1184
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:37,420
UFO mythology from the presence of real

1185
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:38,260
UFOs

1186
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:42,130
what's the left well in to finish what I

1187
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:45,280
was saying a moment ago perhaps you know

1188
00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:48,310
the MKULTRA guys is Randall and had

1189
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:53,560
asked perhaps they were studying this

1190
00:54:58,830 --> 00:54:57,490
phenomena because it naturally was

1191
00:55:00,210 --> 00:54:58,840
curious to them because they were all

1192
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:00,220
interested in you know they were deep

1193
00:55:06,210 --> 00:55:03,550
into the mind sciences maybe that's why

1194
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:06,220
they had their hand in this really is

1195
00:55:10,650 --> 00:55:08,050
because what was going on in that in the

1196
00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:10,660
heads of people so you know then to

1197
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:12,280
answer your question about how do we

1198
00:55:17,070 --> 00:55:14,770
separate the mythology from you know the

1199
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:17,080
reality well you know the simple answer

1200
00:55:24,420 --> 00:55:21,610
is use basic objective as as objective

1201
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:24,430
as possible investigative skills you

1202
00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:26,200
know just kind of take a step back and

1203
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:28,030
just separate the wheat from the chaff

1204
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:31,930
the remote viewer does this when they

1205
00:55:37,020 --> 00:55:33,730
have their column of the analytical

1206
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:37,030
overly analytical overlayer AOL is the

1207
00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:40,090
stuff which leads to assumptions about

1208
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:42,070
what it is you're viewing and these

1209
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:43,630
assumptions are just based on

1210
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:46,690
psychological prejudices and and you

1211
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:48,310
know just human framework where you got

1212
00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:49,660
to put a label on something to

1213
00:55:52,770 --> 00:55:51,400
understand it and you set that stuff

1214
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:52,780
aside will you get me you're gonna have

1215
00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:54,190
to do this so we're gonna have to do the

1216
00:55:59,720 --> 00:55:57,700
same thing with UFO study in ufology is

1217
00:56:02,070 --> 00:55:59,730
you have to be able to admit to yourself

1218
00:56:05,010 --> 00:56:02,080
how many of your conclusions are just

1219
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:05,020
your assumptions that your mind is doing

1220
00:56:12,330 --> 00:56:09,010
really for comfort and just stay on the

1221
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:12,340
objective don't necessarily assume what

1222
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:12,970
it is

1223
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:19,190
you see you follow me you see the thing

1224
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:21,650
in the air above your house you know to

1225
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:23,930
say that it's from another planet is an

1226
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:26,210
assumption to say that it's a flying

1227
00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:28,610
object above your house is the reality

1228
00:56:34,090 --> 00:56:31,400
that's what you're seeing you don't know

1229
00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:34,100
yet where it comes from you know and and

1230
00:56:39,250 --> 00:56:36,230
really it's just it's that simple people

1231
00:56:41,140 --> 00:56:39,260
have to take a step back and again try

1232
00:56:44,170 --> 00:56:41,150
to you know maintain the objectivity

1233
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:44,180
however that said I've also been

1234
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:45,950
involved in discussions and of the

1235
00:56:50,050 --> 00:56:48,320
school of thought where the fact that

1236
00:56:52,750 --> 00:56:50,060
these things are happening to people can

1237
00:56:55,570 --> 00:56:52,760
be very subjective the specifics about

1238
00:56:59,170 --> 00:56:55,580
what people are seeing can be very

1239
00:57:01,720 --> 00:56:59,180
subjective to the point where the

1240
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,730
phenomena itself appears to be in many

1241
00:57:06,790 --> 00:57:03,680
cases to be reaching into the psyche of

1242
00:57:09,790 --> 00:57:06,800
the witness in in letting them see

1243
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:09,800
whatever it is they prefer to see in

1244
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:12,050
other words you have this this object

1245
00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:14,690
okay or this being or this entity you

1246
00:57:21,070 --> 00:57:17,720
have this source of the phenomena okay

1247
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:21,080
and it has its own actual form however

1248
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:23,120
it reaches into the psyche of the human

1249
00:57:30,610 --> 00:57:27,110
witness and it allows that witness to

1250
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:30,620
see its form as whatever that witness

1251
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:33,140
wants to see it as so the one person is

1252
00:57:36,790 --> 00:57:35,570
looking at an ET the other person is

1253
00:57:39,850 --> 00:57:36,800
looking at you know a Nazi in a

1254
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:39,860
spacesuit and yet a third person is you

1255
00:57:45,610 --> 00:57:43,570
know maybe looking at a kangaroo okay

1256
00:57:48,070 --> 00:57:45,620
floating in an Easter basket

1257
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:48,080
that could be going on here too and that

1258
00:57:54,550 --> 00:57:50,210
could have fascinated the MKULTRA guys

1259
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:54,560
so by all means what's going on in the

1260
00:58:01,690 --> 00:57:58,130
human psyche is very important in this

1261
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:01,700
and I think it can change how a lot of

1262
00:58:07,540 --> 00:58:04,850
people start looking at this phenomenon

1263
00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:07,550
and and I will add that it doesn't make

1264
00:58:12,490 --> 00:58:10,430
any any one of those three people who

1265
00:58:14,620 --> 00:58:12,500
saw the not see the kangaroo or the et

1266
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:14,630
it doesn't make any of their experiences

1267
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:16,910
less valid because they are still all

1268
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,210
encountering that initial odd object

1269
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:22,400
whatever it is we're about things like

1270
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:25,730
UFO contacts UFO abductions and I

1271
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:28,130
mentioned one case that Nick Redfern

1272
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:32,810
refers to quite often Orfeo angelou Chee

1273
00:58:37,810 --> 00:58:34,520
where he meets this guy against the

1274
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:37,820
military type guy and a diner do you

1275
00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:41,510
recall this story and he's knows idli

1276
00:58:48,670 --> 00:58:45,380
take some kind of pill or tab from this

1277
00:58:50,830 --> 00:58:48,680
guy and very naive guy or feel Angelou

1278
00:58:53,140 --> 00:58:50,840
she he takes it and then suddenly all

1279
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:53,150
strange things happen like he's taking a

1280
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:56,450
psychedelic or something sure yeah how

1281
00:59:00,370 --> 00:58:56,930
about that

1282
00:59:05,620 --> 00:59:00,380
he meets a guy the guy gives him you

1283
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,630
know something he ingests and mice's on

1284
00:59:10,510 --> 00:59:08,000
so many of these experiences and

1285
00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:10,520
actually dating back to ancient times

1286
00:59:14,170 --> 00:59:12,350
when people would meet the and I'm doing

1287
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:14,180
air quotes here the so called fairy folk

1288
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:17,000
and you know they would be given you

1289
00:59:23,650 --> 00:59:20,710
know something to eat you know this is

1290
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,660
partially what inspired you know what

1291
00:59:26,830 --> 00:59:25,040
Lewis Carroll wrote in Alice in

1292
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:26,840
Wonderland yeah you know Lewis Carroll

1293
00:59:30,460 --> 00:59:28,490
and his generation they were discovering

1294
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:30,470
you know recreational drugs through the

1295
00:59:35,110 --> 00:59:32,450
opium and stuff and Alice of Wonderland

1296
00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:35,120
can be said to be as much about that as

1297
00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:38,180
this other thing but it also dates back

1298
00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:40,460
to you know that when you go into fairy

1299
00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:42,320
land or encounter the fairy folks you

1300
00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:44,060
know they often say if they give you

1301
00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:45,830
something to eat do not eat it because

1302
00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:48,470
you may never come back or it will you

1303
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:50,750
know alter your perception for life and

1304
00:59:58,210 --> 00:59:54,890
that the situation with Orfeo sounds

1305
01:00:02,080 --> 00:59:58,220
just like that so you know are the

1306
01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:02,090
government experimenters now you know

1307
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:05,030
are they purposely copying you know the

1308
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:07,730
the ancient legend about these strange

1309
01:00:13,450 --> 01:00:11,270
folk from the other dimension that's

1310
01:00:17,350 --> 01:00:13,460
possible too because one of the main guy

1311
01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:17,360
is Sidney Gottlieb who was deeply

1312
01:00:23,980 --> 01:00:20,750
involved in MKULTRA he was a folklorist

1313
01:00:27,340 --> 01:00:23,990
he was very much into things like you

1314
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,350
know the fairy lore and such so you know

1315
01:00:30,750 --> 01:00:28,880
think about it in the post-world War two

1316
01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:30,760
ERA when you got government guys

1317
01:00:34,330 --> 01:00:32,840
mysterious government guys are just

1318
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:34,340
mysterious guys claiming to be from

1319
01:00:38,050 --> 01:00:35,690
somewhere else and they want to give you

1320
01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:38,060
a pill or anything to ingest you know

1321
01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:42,760
that could very well be you know a

1322
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:45,830
product of the Sidney Gottlieb School of

1323
01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:47,690
experimenting on the public in their

1324
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:50,030
perceptions yeah and and that's the ones

1325
01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:51,830
where the guy was actually shown the

1326
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:54,020
pill to begin with I mean imagine the

1327
01:00:58,450 --> 01:00:56,690
ones that where people do I know yeah

1328
01:01:00,550 --> 01:00:58,460
the ones who they slipped Mickey's or

1329
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,560
that or they sprayed the LSD in the air

1330
01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:02,720
in this party apartment in San Francisco

1331
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:05,420
that was an interesting little episode

1332
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:09,200
in the 50s in 60s in MKULTRA history was

1333
01:01:14,260 --> 01:01:11,330
they they aerosol they found a way to

1334
01:01:16,090 --> 01:01:14,270
spray I pretty sure it was LSD might

1335
01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:16,100
have been it might have been the magic

1336
01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:18,230
mushroom stuff and they sprayed it in

1337
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:20,990
this apartment and they just invited

1338
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:23,690
these you know variety of people over to

1339
01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:27,290
party and they observed how they reacted

1340
01:01:30,790 --> 01:01:28,940
in the strange things that happened and

1341
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:30,800
they had no clue that this was being

1342
01:01:36,310 --> 01:01:33,680
done to them so yeah I seem to recall an

1343
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:36,320
episode of the x-files where they cut

1344
01:01:42,790 --> 01:01:39,650
that up to Mulder's apartment and again

1345
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:42,800
acting out one thing we can say Rosewell

1346
01:01:47,260 --> 01:01:45,290
is that something did happen what we may

1347
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:47,270
not know exactly what it is and your

1348
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:49,070
book shimmering light it talks about

1349
01:01:52,930 --> 01:01:51,110
some connections there between your dad

1350
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:52,940
and what may have happened at Roswell

1351
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:54,770
maybe you could tell us about that you

1352
01:01:58,660 --> 01:01:56,570
know I've talked about it and limited

1353
01:02:01,630 --> 01:01:58,670
terms in the past I did write an article

1354
01:02:02,530 --> 01:02:01,640
about it under my pseudonym back in 2002

1355
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:02,540
2006

1356
01:02:06,790 --> 01:02:05,450
my employment was such that I had to be

1357
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kind of sensitive about what I did

1358
01:02:11,590 --> 01:02:08,630
publicly so I wrote this article under

1359
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:11,600
my then fiction suit at mea guest and it

1360
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was published in fake magazine and then

1361
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we published in there best of Roswell

1362
01:02:23,230 --> 01:02:19,330
hardcover Edition but basically from the

1363
01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:23,240
mid 70s early mid 70s my dad had told me

1364
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:25,880
this story that when he was in the Air

1365
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:30,110
Force in the late 50s he had been as a

1366
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corpse of his duties he worked in he was

1367
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in the aviation medicine

1368
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aerospace medicine division of the Air

1369
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Force and he worked in the early days of

1370
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the mercury space program when it

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:44,360
belonged to the Air Force and you know

1372
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:47,810
towards transitioning to NASA and so he

1373
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had a clearance for you know high

1374
01:02:55,570 --> 01:02:52,280
clearance for things space travel

1375
01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:55,580
related back then and he told the story

1376
01:03:01,760 --> 01:02:58,690
of being you know put on a side

1377
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:01,770
where they flew them to wright-patt they

1378
01:03:07,470 --> 01:03:04,990
brief him and a few other guys in on

1379
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this crash that happened in New Mexico

1380
01:03:14,790 --> 01:03:10,390
or Roswell and then they flew them out

1381
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:14,800
to eastern Arizona because what they

1382
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were told was that in 1947 this parallel

1383
01:03:24,089 --> 01:03:21,460
human civilization that shares this

1384
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planet with us and crashed and they were

1385
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told that it had happened again you know

1386
01:03:31,980 --> 01:03:28,390
this 11 years later in eastern Arizona

1387
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:31,990
and he was going to be part of the big

1388
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:34,930
Air Force retrieval effort that was

1389
01:03:40,339 --> 01:03:37,990
going on out there and due to his work

1390
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,349
his job you know in aviation medicine

1391
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they had to be briefed in on Roswell

1392
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let's talk about the Roswell briefing in

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a moment with Walter Bosley Randall

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Murphy gene Steinberg you're in the para

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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1456
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as part of Hollywood for a long time

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I've seen my fair share of celebrities

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get in trouble with the IRS

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need to call my friends at the tax

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cast calm Walker let's continue what was

1506
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:26,779
he told about Roswell basically my dad

1507
01:08:31,930 --> 01:08:28,850
was told that what happened at Roswell

1508
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:31,940
was the crash of a craft from a parallel

1509
01:08:38,499 --> 01:08:34,850
civilization that has coexisted with us

1510
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:38,509
on this planet in a subterranean well a

1511
01:08:46,420 --> 01:08:41,450
separate civilization that they crashed

1512
01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:46,430
in 1947 and he said that they in the

1513
01:08:51,550 --> 01:08:49,190
other guys were shown the bodies it was

1514
01:08:54,340 --> 01:08:51,560
explained to them that this this

1515
01:08:55,900 --> 01:08:54,350
civilization had coexisted they really

1516
01:08:58,599 --> 01:08:55,910
didn't want anything to do with us

1517
01:09:01,539 --> 01:08:58,609
that what he saw as far as the bodies

1518
01:09:03,610 --> 01:09:01,549
were that they were human just like us

1519
01:09:07,090 --> 01:09:03,620
but they were virtually hairless that

1520
01:09:10,030 --> 01:09:07,100
was one of the things that he described

1521
01:09:13,539 --> 01:09:10,040
them as and he said that the bodies he

1522
01:09:16,420 --> 01:09:13,549
saw they were slightly smaller than the

1523
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:16,430
average human but he always insisted you

1524
01:09:21,249 --> 01:09:18,770
know this dates back to the in around

1525
01:09:23,999 --> 01:09:21,259
1980 when the Roswell incident book came

1526
01:09:28,090 --> 01:09:24,009
out the more Berlitz book and the whole

1527
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:28,100
et theme became popularly attached to

1528
01:09:34,090 --> 01:09:31,520
Roswell and after that four years up

1529
01:09:36,579 --> 01:09:34,100
until he died you know he insisted that

1530
01:09:38,710 --> 01:09:36,589
Roswell they were not the little grey

1531
01:09:40,329 --> 01:09:38,720
et's they were they were not those kind

1532
01:09:42,579 --> 01:09:40,339
of feet he said they were human beings

1533
01:09:44,559 --> 01:09:42,589
you know he stayed consistent with that

1534
01:09:45,070 --> 01:09:44,569
until the day he died you know for

1535
01:09:47,890 --> 01:09:45,080
decades

1536
01:09:50,349 --> 01:09:47,900
well after they're briefed on this as I

1537
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:50,359
said they're sent out to eastern Arizona

1538
01:09:56,410 --> 01:09:52,489
we're in the a subterranean area out

1539
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:56,420
there they're trying to find the lost

1540
01:10:01,330 --> 01:09:58,850
pilot of another downed craft but at the

1541
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:01,340
same time there appeared to have been a

1542
01:10:06,670 --> 01:10:03,170
little bit more interaction going on

1543
01:10:09,729 --> 01:10:06,680
between us personnel in this other

1544
01:10:12,220 --> 01:10:09,739
civilization and possibly even a little

1545
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:12,230
bit of technology sharing you know the

1546
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:14,090
weird part to me is they had this

1547
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:15,920
technology that was more

1548
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:18,050
van sonars in some way you know so I

1549
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:19,630
think it was more they had more to offer

1550
01:10:24,490 --> 01:10:22,820
than we did technologically speaking but

1551
01:10:27,939 --> 01:10:24,500
we were able to help them find their guy

1552
01:10:30,010 --> 01:10:27,949
and there was an incident where my dad

1553
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,020
and another guy encountered some of

1554
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,239
these denizens underground and the guy

1555
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:35,120
my dad was with was was killed it's a

1556
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:37,489
very weird story that for years you know

1557
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,860
he told through me and I decided to

1558
01:10:45,010 --> 01:10:41,840
finally really dig into it and that's

1559
01:10:47,229 --> 01:10:45,020
when I discovered that aviation medicine

1560
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:47,239
and Operation Paperclip Nazis and

1561
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:49,310
MKULTRA were they're right there in the

1562
01:10:54,850 --> 01:10:52,640
mix with you know within the milieu of

1563
01:10:57,790 --> 01:10:54,860
what my dad was experiencing and talking

1564
01:11:00,700 --> 01:10:57,800
about so those are the basics of my

1565
01:11:05,229 --> 01:11:00,710
dad's weird story in my book is my first

1566
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:05,239
time really just jumping in you know to

1567
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,130
try to put it in some type of historical

1568
01:11:12,189 --> 01:11:08,960
context and try to flesh these things

1569
01:11:14,169 --> 01:11:12,199
out so these are from accounts that you

1570
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,179
heard over a number of years from your

1571
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:16,880
dad and I just pieced them together into

1572
01:11:21,370 --> 01:11:18,530
a book best you can right now

1573
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:21,380
well that and also the fact that I had

1574
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:24,320
you know I spent 18 years in - in the

1575
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,290
national security community between FBI

1576
01:11:32,169 --> 01:11:29,840
and myself Air Force and most of the

1577
01:11:34,570 --> 01:11:32,179
listeners know I'm a former OSI agent

1578
01:11:36,669 --> 01:11:34,580
I'm an Air Force officer and then I went

1579
01:11:39,610 --> 01:11:36,679
into counterterrorism stuff

1580
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:39,620
internationally and during that time I

1581
01:11:45,100 --> 01:11:42,560
had a mentor a higher ranking as the

1582
01:11:47,459 --> 01:11:45,110
senior ranking officer who had spent 44

1583
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:47,469
years in the intelligence community and

1584
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:51,530
he had you know over the years told me

1585
01:11:57,610 --> 01:11:54,440
that you know what my dad was telling me

1586
01:11:59,890 --> 01:11:57,620
was was the truth and you know hand me

1587
01:12:04,120 --> 01:11:59,900
and get him to flesh it out a little bit

1588
01:12:05,979 --> 01:12:04,130
more to me so I was going on you know by

1589
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,989
the time I write this book you know in

1590
01:12:11,950 --> 01:12:08,000
the last year you know I've been going

1591
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:11,960
on my dad's story that he told me but

1592
01:12:18,490 --> 01:12:14,030
also my personal experience in the Air

1593
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,500
Force and this other source of mine who

1594
01:12:22,450 --> 01:12:20,719
you know had had been in the

1595
01:12:25,300 --> 01:12:22,460
intelligence community for years he was

1596
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:25,310
starting out an Army Special Ops and to

1597
01:12:28,209 --> 01:12:27,710
see this guy's career you know it brings

1598
01:12:30,339 --> 01:12:28,219
to my

1599
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:30,349
and this group that Nick Redfern writes

1600
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:32,090
about the Collins elite this ultra

1601
01:12:36,459 --> 01:12:34,249
secret you know army Intel group that

1602
01:12:38,859 --> 01:12:36,469
was dealing directly with the whole UFO

1603
01:12:41,890 --> 01:12:38,869
and beard stuff issue I would not be

1604
01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:41,900
surprised if this guy can been one of

1605
01:12:47,049 --> 01:12:44,510
those guys and feel better or worse so I

1606
01:12:49,509 --> 01:12:47,059
approached it from you know the point of

1607
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:49,519
view that okay some of the weirder

1608
01:12:55,779 --> 01:12:53,570
aspects of this I am told you know have

1609
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,789
legs have a foundation it's not just

1610
01:13:01,149 --> 01:12:57,440
something where a dad's pulling a son's

1611
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:01,159
leg and also the fact that untrained and

1612
01:13:05,979 --> 01:13:03,530
experienced in what we call subject

1613
01:13:07,870 --> 01:13:05,989
interview or subtle interrogation and in

1614
01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:07,880
these techniques where you know I know

1615
01:13:13,029 --> 01:13:10,150
how to question somebody have a

1616
01:13:15,250 --> 01:13:13,039
conversationally and insert little tools

1617
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:15,260
and tactics to where I can push pressure

1618
01:13:21,759 --> 01:13:19,369
points and trying to get the it's kind

1619
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:21,769
of a a polygraph without hooking

1620
01:13:25,060 --> 01:13:23,570
somebody up to a machine there's because

1621
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:25,070
there's little tells that human beings

1622
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:27,110
have when they're being dishonest and

1623
01:13:32,049 --> 01:13:29,090
stuff and I applied this pretty much

1624
01:13:33,549 --> 01:13:32,059
full force to my dad and after having

1625
01:13:35,259 --> 01:13:33,559
learned it and become experienced in it

1626
01:13:39,009 --> 01:13:35,269
say the last ten years of his life and

1627
01:13:41,489 --> 01:13:39,019
you know in my personal estimate he was

1628
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:41,499
absolutely telling the truth as he

1629
01:13:46,419 --> 01:13:44,719
believed it and I only add the as he

1630
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:46,429
believed it because you know that's

1631
01:13:50,589 --> 01:13:48,650
that's what people want to hear I mean

1632
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:50,599
you know and and it could be the

1633
01:13:54,489 --> 01:13:52,670
possibility that it was as he believed

1634
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:54,499
it my book goes into the possibility

1635
01:13:59,739 --> 01:13:57,170
that his story itself was implanted

1636
01:14:01,439 --> 01:13:59,749
narrative and you know I'm honest about

1637
01:14:04,209 --> 01:14:01,449
that there's what I personally

1638
01:14:06,009 --> 01:14:04,219
personally embrace and would like to

1639
01:14:07,540 --> 01:14:06,019
think was true about his story and there

1640
01:14:11,109 --> 01:14:07,550
then there's what I have to objectively

1641
01:14:12,850 --> 01:14:11,119
say was very possible well that's really

1642
01:14:17,219 --> 01:14:12,860
interesting it's good that you recognize

1643
01:14:20,229 --> 01:14:17,229
that yeah that's really interesting and

1644
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:20,239
that actually sort of answers a question

1645
01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:21,530
I was going to ask is that

1646
01:14:26,620 --> 01:14:24,369
well maybe the parallel civilizations

1647
01:14:29,229 --> 01:14:26,630
explanation is being used as a cover

1648
01:14:31,950 --> 01:14:29,239
story for something interstellar I mean

1649
01:14:37,299 --> 01:14:31,960
it could go both ways yeah it could be

1650
01:14:41,459 --> 01:14:37,309
it could be but it it could also be that

1651
01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:41,469
it was for something even more

1652
01:14:46,109 --> 01:14:43,630
other than that that was harder to

1653
01:14:52,919 --> 01:14:46,119
explain than just people from another

1654
01:14:55,049 --> 01:14:52,929
planet you know it's it's in that zone

1655
01:14:57,930 --> 01:14:55,059
we were talking about earlier of you

1656
01:15:00,299 --> 01:14:57,940
know what the heck you know it it could

1657
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:00,309
be that you know it's even more

1658
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:02,800
interesting than just people from

1659
01:15:08,669 --> 01:15:06,880
another planet or it could be we also in

1660
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:08,679
the mix it could be that it it wasn't

1661
01:15:14,129 --> 01:15:10,510
any of that that it really was just

1662
01:15:15,959 --> 01:15:14,139
human shenanigans but either way we you

1663
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:15,969
were able to establish that he was at

1664
01:15:21,930 --> 01:15:18,249
certain places at certain times and that

1665
01:15:23,549 --> 01:15:21,940
he did hear these stories and that they

1666
01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:23,559
do have these connections that you

1667
01:15:32,969 --> 01:15:28,780
outline in your book I'm not sure I got

1668
01:15:35,339 --> 01:15:32,979
the was there a question I'm trying to

1669
01:15:39,509 --> 01:15:35,349
think where you ask me a question or

1670
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,519
just making a statement I'm somewhat

1671
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:41,920
rhetorically I guess is it's just to

1672
01:15:49,229 --> 01:15:45,010
confirm that I've got sort of the take

1673
01:15:51,959 --> 01:15:49,239
on your book correct yeah okay okay yeah

1674
01:15:58,319 --> 01:15:51,969
yeah yeah it's what I try to do in my

1675
01:16:02,160 --> 01:15:58,329
book is is you know present the

1676
01:16:04,350 --> 01:16:02,170
possibilities that I found you know all

1677
01:16:08,009 --> 01:16:04,360
along the spectrum from the wild on down

1678
01:16:11,219 --> 01:16:08,019
to the very mundane because you know any

1679
01:16:13,379 --> 01:16:11,229
one of them could be valid does that

1680
01:16:15,930 --> 01:16:13,389
sound like a cliffhanger to you well it

1681
01:16:17,009 --> 01:16:15,940
sure sounds like a cliffhanger to me so

1682
01:16:19,379 --> 01:16:17,019
I'll tell you what we're going to end

1683
01:16:21,810 --> 01:16:19,389
the segment here and we'll continue the

1684
01:16:23,969 --> 01:16:21,820
stories from our guests that continue in

1685
01:16:26,549 --> 01:16:23,979
the next segment and by the way Walter

1686
01:16:28,919 --> 01:16:26,559
and Randall will also be on after the

1687
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:28,929
para cast this week the book is

1688
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:31,840
shimmering light let's shimmer away here

1689
01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:34,300
with Walter Bosley Randall Murphy and

1690
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1806
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which is this is where I'm always shot

1807
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down but I keep repeating it until they

1808
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stop me and that is with regard to Betty

1809
01:21:39,820 --> 01:21:36,440
and Barney Hill

1810
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they live near military base their

1811
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friends are in the military yep they

1812
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have an experience there where they see

1813
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:47,110
beings that are very very different than

1814
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:50,540
the grey aliens that we heard about

1815
01:21:59,250 --> 01:21:54,890
particularly after communion came out so

1816
01:22:01,840 --> 01:21:59,260
was that a mind-control experiment it

1817
01:22:05,820 --> 01:22:01,850
could have been because you also

1818
01:22:08,260 --> 01:22:05,830
remember that Barney clearly saw a

1819
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:08,270
Caucasian human that he described as a

1820
01:22:15,310 --> 01:22:11,270
Nazi so there was you know the human

1821
01:22:17,950 --> 01:22:15,320
presence in that encounter that for

1822
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:17,960
whatever reason some people are aware of

1823
01:22:23,950 --> 01:22:21,440
or they choose not to mention yes in

1824
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:23,960
that era when you consider the context

1825
01:22:29,290 --> 01:22:26,510
of you know like what was going on with

1826
01:22:32,980 --> 01:22:29,300
what the paperclip Nazis did when they

1827
01:22:34,690 --> 01:22:32,990
then develop in a ultra when you look at

1828
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:34,700
all that stuff that was going on and the

1829
01:22:38,770 --> 01:22:36,170
fact that we were in the middle of you

1830
01:22:41,290 --> 01:22:38,780
know the Cold War I point this out in my

1831
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:41,300
book that people would now have to go

1832
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,890
back and look at it from the context of

1833
01:22:46,090 --> 01:22:44,480
where these guys were coming from that

1834
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:46,100
you know the the Department of Defense

1835
01:22:50,410 --> 01:22:48,110
in the Air Force in particular you know

1836
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:50,420
we're in the middle of a cold war and we

1837
01:22:55,660 --> 01:22:53,210
weren't sure what was going on what was

1838
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:55,670
going to happen next and things like

1839
01:22:59,800 --> 01:22:58,250
MKULTRA this you know if somebody said

1840
01:23:02,050 --> 01:22:59,810
hey this might be a way that we can

1841
01:23:03,820 --> 01:23:02,060
protect our secrets you know yeah

1842
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:03,830
absolutely I would think that they'd be

1843
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,290
at first enthuse you know hey if it

1844
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:08,000
protects our secrets you know let's do

1845
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:10,370
it or hey you know this this guy's doing

1846
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:11,290
this weird

1847
01:23:16,020 --> 01:23:13,330
mind experiments over here this

1848
01:23:18,780 --> 01:23:16,030
perception management stuff and and the

1849
01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:18,790
ultimate end could be to either fool the

1850
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:21,070
enemy or protect our secrets or both

1851
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:23,530
well then you know the guys on the upper

1852
01:23:27,090 --> 01:23:25,210
level not knowing the full details

1853
01:23:28,350 --> 01:23:27,100
remember back then maybe you know they

1854
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:28,360
might not have known the full details

1855
01:23:33,390 --> 01:23:31,210
would say hey do what you need to do to

1856
01:23:34,890 --> 01:23:33,400
secure the country when you're trying to

1857
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,900
figure out what was going on back and

1858
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:37,120
then you have to consider that

1859
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:39,010
perspective because it was valid back

1860
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:41,410
then now in the hindsight of time passed

1861
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:43,810
you know we can look back and pass a

1862
01:23:47,250 --> 01:23:45,610
judgement and say well you know boy they

1863
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,260
were off here and they were really off

1864
01:23:51,420 --> 01:23:49,600
there but back then they they really

1865
01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:51,430
didn't have a way of knowing that you

1866
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:53,080
know they were coming out of a world war

1867
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:55,360
that ended with atomic weaponry

1868
01:23:59,970 --> 01:23:57,130
you know it's look at what was at stake

1869
01:24:03,240 --> 01:23:59,980
so they were willing to try anything in

1870
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:03,250
that perspective absolutely you know

1871
01:24:06,660 --> 01:24:04,390
what happened at Betty and Barney Hill

1872
01:24:10,530 --> 01:24:06,670
could very much have been could have

1873
01:24:12,270 --> 01:24:10,540
been a complete mind experiment or if it

1874
01:24:14,430 --> 01:24:12,280
was something extraordinary it could

1875
01:24:18,020 --> 01:24:14,440
have been something done with these

1876
01:24:20,850 --> 01:24:18,030
other people or as it appears to be

1877
01:24:23,340 --> 01:24:20,860
other people from another world that's

1878
01:24:24,690 --> 01:24:23,350
always a possibility I think the point

1879
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that a lot of people want to see made

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now is that for years people have just

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jumped to the one possibility and said

1882
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well that's the answer

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when clearly well no that's not the

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answer it's one possibility let's stay

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grounded here and recognize that you

1886
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know the et thing there is a possibility

1887
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but there are also other equal

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possibilities and if we're really going

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to solve this mystery and answer these

1890
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questions we've got to stay you know in

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the center on this and while recognizing

1892
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the possibilities not be too eager to

1893
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latch on to one tusu there's a

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counterpoint to that in in that we can

1895
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go back to the project magnet memo where

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they're saying that that alone was

1897
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classified higher than the h-bomb but

1898
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then so you know then again back to the

1899
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question why would they use UFOs as a

1900
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cover for something else when UFOs were

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more secret but if we go back to the

1902
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actual Cold War and the OSI and the

1903
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Robertson panel what you actually had

1904
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there was a recommendation the UFOs bTW

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precisely for the reasons that you're

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suggesting and therefore to not give

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them media attention

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if anything maybe make out like they

1909
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were there was something there and then

1910
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completely debunk it they even wanted to

1911
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debunk the pilots in the airports who

1912
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had seen these andrew pelt who was one

1913
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of the investigators at the time to

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create exception to that so I mean if

1915
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you've got an official OSI and the CIA

1916
01:25:54,510 --> 01:25:51,190
was in on this as well saying no don't

1917
01:25:57,330 --> 01:25:54,520
get UFOs into the media why would they

1918
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use it as a cover story for the Betty

1919
01:26:01,530 --> 01:25:59,860
and Barney and I mean again just to me

1920
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this just doesn't make any sense so that

1921
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would be my answer to that question Jean

1922
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well number one not nothing in what you

1923
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were saying there necessarily you know

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says that the et conclusion is what they

1925
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were hiring first of all and then a

1926
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little earlier I made the distinction

1927
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that using the idea that oh these things

1928
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are from another world would have been a

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good way to cover your own technology

1930
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because fewer people out there you know

1931
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what would really accept that and they

1932
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or they would laugh off any stories

1933
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related to what people were seeing so

1934
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that while they're out there flying and

1935
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testing their technology and if it gets

1936
01:26:47,900 --> 01:26:45,460
publicly identified with something that

1937
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can be ridiculed not only will this

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proposed majority laugh at the idea that

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it was men from another world they would

1940
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,030
increasingly just ignore when people say

1941
01:26:59,970 --> 01:26:57,040
hey I saw this thing flying around right

1942
01:27:01,740 --> 01:26:59,980
so that hopefully I think this is what

1943
01:27:04,140 --> 01:27:01,750
they were hoping these things will get

1944
01:27:06,210 --> 01:27:04,150
reported less now what you've described

1945
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:06,220
you know hey let's not give an attention

1946
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:08,130
let's not that was a recommendation

1947
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remember that was a recommendation

1948
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recommendations are not always taken or

1949
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not always applied 100% across-the-board

1950
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now that was a recommendation and that

1951
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:20,260
hey perhaps the Russians of the Chinese

1952
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or whoever will not have something to

1953
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pay attention to when we're testing our

1954
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craft if we quit encouraging these

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things to be reported and if we

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discourage public outlets from you know

1957
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covering it every time somebody sees one

1958
01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:35,830
of our things so it could just as

1959
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:39,070
equally explain what you're saying about

1960
01:27:44,220 --> 01:27:41,290
oh they're they're classified above the

1961
01:27:46,860 --> 01:27:44,230
h-bomb well if it is our own secret

1962
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defense technology you betcha it is

1963
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going to be classified if it's that

1964
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advanced above the h-bomb and we don't

1965
01:27:57,180 --> 01:27:54,010
want these things publicized so actually

1966
01:28:00,570 --> 01:27:57,190
within a grounded logic it also works

1967
01:28:03,300 --> 01:28:00,580
you know yeah this technology whatever

1968
01:28:05,550 --> 01:28:03,310
the UFO stuff is you know the this human

1969
01:28:08,190 --> 01:28:05,560
base that they're covering this

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01:28:11,970 --> 01:28:08,200
technology itself this classified above

1971
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:11,980
the h-bomb and no we don't want people

1972
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:13,810
to be encouraged to be talking about it

1973
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:16,510
publicly to me in my mind you know

1974
01:28:20,910 --> 01:28:19,360
that's logical too so that's where I'm

1975
01:28:24,330 --> 01:28:20,920
saying we have to be careful with all

1976
01:28:27,150 --> 01:28:24,340
these memos and such that we either make

1977
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:27,160
the et assumption or we take an allusion

1978
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:29,050
to you know somethin possibly from

1979
01:28:32,940 --> 01:28:31,210
another world being suggested in a memo

1980
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as oh that's exactly what they thought

1981
01:28:38,070 --> 01:28:34,650
and that's the only thing they thought

1982
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:38,080
that's the problem with the post-world

1983
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War two

1984
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memo issue that pops up the ones that

1985
01:28:46,290 --> 01:28:43,360
are real you know that's the problem

1986
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that I and and some others have with

1987
01:28:52,350 --> 01:28:49,330
them is really they get misinterpreted I

1988
01:28:55,380 --> 01:28:52,360
think you make a good point on one level

1989
01:28:58,440 --> 01:28:55,390
and that is that certainly there were

1990
01:29:00,330 --> 01:28:58,450
secret projects where people observed or

1991
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,340
had some contact with them radar

1992
01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:02,800
contract and they didn't know what they

1993
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were seeing because they were secret

1994
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:06,490
projects we had - you - we had the sr-71

1995
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we had the skyhook balloons and we did

1996
01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:11,620
have those and when those were reported

1997
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they were nobody knew what they were so

1998
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they kind of went down as unknowns and

1999
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:18,970
then they were maybe blown further out

2000
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by the et believers into flying saucers

2001
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:24,850
and so we do know that a number of

2002
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reports of secret projects were reported

2003
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as unknowns and that came to be later

2004
01:29:35,130 --> 01:29:33,160
interpreted as flying saucers so there's

2005
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:35,140
definitely some credence to that line of

2006
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thinking yeah that's and that's not even

2007
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mentioning when we get into the you know

2008
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the field of speculation on

2009
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you know the the Nazi technology that

2010
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was inherited or the breakaway

2011
01:29:53,689 --> 01:29:51,389
civilization issue when you throw that

2012
01:29:57,020 --> 01:29:53,699
possibility into the mix that's even

2013
01:30:00,379 --> 01:29:57,030
more human source stuff that people were

2014
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seeing out there you know even with all

2015
01:30:06,529 --> 01:30:03,809
this said I still agree that there's

2016
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that percentage of stuff that very well

2017
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that could have come from other worlds

2018
01:30:14,839 --> 01:30:11,039
yeah we got that flying wing technology

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from the German the Horton brothers yeah

2020
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absolutely

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and there's some people that have

2022
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thought well maybe that's what Arnold

2023
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might have seen is some sort of

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classified version of the flying wing

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right and that gets into what I have

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found and I say this with a smile I like

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to call it the most hated book by you

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you know people into the et hypothesis

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we have Walker Bosley Randall Murphy

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Cass we have dr. Bosley with us

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and we're talking about the past to see

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how it relates to the future with

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Randall Murphy as our guest co-host

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Walter yes we were talking about that I

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mentioned the most-hated book in the the

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UFO community out there and that's

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Joseph Farrell's Roswell in the right I

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know I just know there's gonna be booze

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and hisses that at the very mansion of

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this thing but I would like to say that

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to a man the people that I've discussed

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this book with who are primarily ET

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proponents who really cast the most

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never read it which you know I find

2147
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:00,039
hilarious I get no end of amusement out

2148
01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:02,320
of that how they can just trash you know

2149
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:04,150
a line of research and they really

2150
01:36:07,319 --> 01:36:05,650
haven't read it if they would read it

2151
01:36:09,209 --> 01:36:07,329
you know I think that's what bothers

2152
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:09,219
them if they would read it it they fear

2153
01:36:13,259 --> 01:36:10,719
that it might change their mind and

2154
01:36:16,290 --> 01:36:13,269
shattered their lifelong fantasy but

2155
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:16,300
pharaoh follows the line you know he

2156
01:36:20,250 --> 01:36:18,010
points out what kind of advanced

2157
01:36:22,859 --> 01:36:20,260
technology that Nazi Germany was working

2158
01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:22,869
on during prior to and during the War

2159
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:26,260
World War two and then he shows you the

2160
01:36:29,939 --> 01:36:28,090
kinds of things that have been

2161
01:36:33,180 --> 01:36:29,949
associated with Roswell over the years

2162
01:36:36,029 --> 01:36:33,190
and you know he shows you the parallels

2163
01:36:40,109 --> 01:36:36,039
there and you know some of them were a

2164
01:36:44,939 --> 01:36:40,119
pretty dead match from you know what was

2165
01:36:49,939 --> 01:36:44,949
going on so you know and I lost my point

2166
01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:49,949
okay I'm sorry

2167
01:36:53,850 --> 01:36:52,719
so therefore you forgot that therefore

2168
01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:53,860
we're gonna have to revoke your

2169
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:56,920
classification yeah we'll give it to

2170
01:37:02,009 --> 01:36:59,440
Michael friend Brent Randall Randall had

2171
01:37:03,899 --> 01:37:02,019
made a I was answering a question that

2172
01:37:05,970 --> 01:37:03,909
we had the break and then it's like what

2173
01:37:08,879 --> 01:37:05,980
was that question again but for the

2174
01:37:10,859 --> 01:37:08,889
comment again yeah I think you made it

2175
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:10,869
to your point perfectly actually yeah I

2176
01:37:13,580 --> 01:37:12,639
think we can all accept that there's

2177
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:13,590
definite

2178
01:37:17,810 --> 01:37:15,330
secret projects out there that have been

2179
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:17,820
misinterpreted as something alien when

2180
01:37:22,399 --> 01:37:20,610
it's not well then again I mean we're

2181
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:22,409
talking about how do we define alien in

2182
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:25,170
in my sense I think it could very well

2183
01:37:31,129 --> 01:37:27,810
be something mysterious unknown from

2184
01:37:34,700 --> 01:37:31,139
outside what we know of our civilization

2185
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:34,710
not necessarily extraterrestrial right

2186
01:37:39,490 --> 01:37:37,440
so I mean alien visitation could

2187
01:37:42,589 --> 01:37:39,500
hypothetically come from some unknown

2188
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:42,599
terrestrial location I just don't really

2189
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:45,510
see how it's possible that that could

2190
01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:48,000
happen other than in the context of

2191
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:51,000
secret military projects well admittedly

2192
01:37:57,229 --> 01:37:54,570
the hidden civilization you know as much

2193
01:37:58,939 --> 01:37:57,239
as I've discussed that into a degree in

2194
01:38:02,180 --> 01:37:58,949
the proponent of it or at least

2195
01:38:04,430 --> 01:38:02,190
entertain it seriously yeah it is a wild

2196
01:38:10,270 --> 01:38:04,440
one it's a wild one that you would think

2197
01:38:16,580 --> 01:38:13,910
I like to acknowledge that you know

2198
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:16,590
justjust like I acknowledge whatever I'm

2199
01:38:21,169 --> 01:38:19,199
speculating I'm very clear on it and

2200
01:38:23,540 --> 01:38:21,179
that's why again talking about the

2201
01:38:28,490 --> 01:38:23,550
things that amuse me when I have

2202
01:38:30,740 --> 01:38:28,500
somebody who will give me a critique you

2203
01:38:33,589 --> 01:38:30,750
know a critical review on something I've

2204
01:38:36,140 --> 01:38:33,599
written or said and they say oh he makes

2205
01:38:39,020 --> 01:38:36,150
stuff up but he does well and and I go

2206
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:39,030
back and you know I find where I've

2207
01:38:49,700 --> 01:38:41,489
stated something as a speculation you

2208
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:49,710
know about the 37 times and you know I I

2209
01:38:56,780 --> 01:38:52,560
admit that you know this hidden

2210
01:39:01,520 --> 01:38:56,790
civilization possibility is is out there

2211
01:39:05,919 --> 01:39:01,530
but it's in the mix for a variety of

2212
01:39:10,220 --> 01:39:05,929
reasons and I find that interesting oh

2213
01:39:12,649 --> 01:39:10,230
it is interesting and that's what I like

2214
01:39:14,300 --> 01:39:12,659
about your stuff it it does make people

2215
01:39:16,700 --> 01:39:14,310
think about well you know what's going

2216
01:39:18,379 --> 01:39:16,710
on behind the scenes what what is out

2217
01:39:21,260 --> 01:39:18,389
there that we don't know that is maybe

2218
01:39:24,140 --> 01:39:21,270
more local within our world within our

2219
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,150
civilization that goes on behind closed

2220
01:39:28,250 --> 01:39:26,880
doors that if we knew

2221
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:28,260
I mean there's plenty of speculation

2222
01:39:35,890 --> 01:39:32,400
that goes on in the field so you're not

2223
01:39:41,180 --> 01:39:35,900
alone in speculating that's for sure

2224
01:39:42,979 --> 01:39:41,190
well yeah I I'd like to think so I you

2225
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:42,989
know I like to think that I'm not the

2226
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:46,050
only one going up on the crazy limb you

2227
01:39:51,620 --> 01:39:50,370
know when I do man and I like to admit

2228
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:51,630
it and I think I do

2229
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:53,370
I think I make it very clear oh

2230
01:39:59,060 --> 01:39:55,770
absolutely you do yeah when it says so

2231
01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:59,070
right in your introduction it's

2232
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:01,679
important for people to you know just

2233
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:04,370
just admit when it's it's something that

2234
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:07,199
you know they they think you know it

2235
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,449
could be you know a conclusion as a

2236
01:40:13,970 --> 01:40:11,280
result of much research and much

2237
01:40:15,860 --> 01:40:13,980
analysis and it much thought but you

2238
01:40:17,810 --> 01:40:15,870
know still you know nothing wrong with

2239
01:40:19,700 --> 01:40:17,820
saying well here's what I think here's

2240
01:40:22,700 --> 01:40:19,710
what I'm leaning toward here's what

2241
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:22,710
intrigues me and there's nothing wrong

2242
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:24,570
with this there there are some folks out

2243
01:40:30,620 --> 01:40:27,290
there that think that there should be no

2244
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:30,630
speculation in this field that that all

2245
01:40:35,060 --> 01:40:32,370
that should be discussed or things that

2246
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:35,070
can be proven hard facts and what I have

2247
01:40:40,990 --> 01:40:38,250
found with those people is generally

2248
01:40:44,930 --> 01:40:41,000
they're serving a different agenda

2249
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:44,940
generally they're you know but sometimes

2250
01:40:49,939 --> 01:40:47,370
a member of like a skeptic group you

2251
01:40:51,500 --> 01:40:49,949
know they've all decided that you know

2252
01:40:56,470 --> 01:40:51,510
they'll go out there in the paranormal

2253
01:41:01,790 --> 01:40:59,330
delay they'll try to shut down or slow

2254
01:41:05,870 --> 01:41:01,800
down as much speculative conversation as

2255
01:41:09,050 --> 01:41:05,880
they can for whatever reason it's almost

2256
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:09,060
like a religion for them well in yours

2257
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:11,010
when you're thinking about this theory

2258
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:13,290
then so what we've what we've got then

2259
01:41:19,220 --> 01:41:16,320
is some sort of parallel civilization

2260
01:41:21,860 --> 01:41:19,230
for lack of a better term or at least

2261
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:21,870
some society capable of constructing

2262
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:25,170
these craft in someplace that we don't

2263
01:41:29,660 --> 01:41:27,449
really know about and that kind of

2264
01:41:33,260 --> 01:41:29,670
implies some level of cooperation

2265
01:41:35,390 --> 01:41:33,270
between their society and ours now I

2266
01:41:37,220 --> 01:41:35,400
could see how maybe back in you know

2267
01:41:39,140 --> 01:41:37,230
prior to the 1800s they might have

2268
01:41:40,020 --> 01:41:39,150
gotten away with some secret base in

2269
01:41:44,089 --> 01:41:40,030
Antarctic

2270
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:44,099
or something but not anymore so you know

2271
01:41:54,779 --> 01:41:51,280
unless unless sure go ahead unless the

2272
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:54,789
idea of a a parallel civilization or a

2273
01:41:59,609 --> 01:41:57,520
hidden civilization is a projected

2274
01:42:03,299 --> 01:41:59,619
construct that they want people to

2275
01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:03,309
believe and who would do this but just

2276
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:05,710
let's just pick a culprit the military

2277
01:42:12,029 --> 01:42:09,250
industrial complex and they have plenty

2278
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:12,039
of facilities that are you know

2279
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:18,010
restricted access see absolutely yes you

2280
01:42:21,689 --> 01:42:19,210
know what's the connection there then

2281
01:42:23,010 --> 01:42:21,699
all right so you're saying we what we've

2282
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:23,020
got our black projects that are

2283
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:26,250
interfacing with a parallel civilization

2284
01:42:32,399 --> 01:42:29,679
know what I'm suggesting there is that

2285
01:42:34,580 --> 01:42:32,409
the there could be no parallel

2286
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:34,590
civilization that this is all a

2287
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:38,650
projected construct to have you know to

2288
01:42:43,979 --> 01:42:41,440
see who will believe it or to have it be

2289
01:42:46,109 --> 01:42:43,989
projected as a cover for something that

2290
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:46,119
is just merely the activity of a

2291
01:42:50,879 --> 01:42:48,639
military industrial complex which makes

2292
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:50,889
this whole thing more nefarious yes oh

2293
01:42:56,370 --> 01:42:52,690
that's entirely possible

2294
01:42:59,010 --> 01:42:56,380
I mean if we consider parallel

2295
01:43:01,950 --> 01:42:59,020
civilization as the workings of a group

2296
01:43:04,049 --> 01:43:01,960
of organized individuals who work apart

2297
01:43:06,839 --> 01:43:04,059
from what we know of in our own

2298
01:43:09,419 --> 01:43:06,849
civilization I mean they could literally

2299
01:43:12,149 --> 01:43:09,429
be working parallel to us in another

2300
01:43:13,859 --> 01:43:12,159
office downtown and we wouldn't really

2301
01:43:16,620 --> 01:43:13,869
and know that they were part of this

2302
01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:16,630
whole other construct so in that context

2303
01:43:21,899 --> 01:43:18,820
I could see it happening it's like this

2304
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:21,909
when I was in counter espionage we would

2305
01:43:30,839 --> 01:43:27,520
vet a source okay I was chief of a CEO

2306
01:43:33,029 --> 01:43:30,849
ops double agent operations for a while

2307
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:33,039
when I was at wright-patterson and while

2308
01:43:39,299 --> 01:43:34,239
the whole time I was at wright-patterson

2309
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:39,309
and when you're vetting a guy or gal

2310
01:43:46,740 --> 01:43:44,320
that you want to you know be in be a DA

2311
01:43:50,009 --> 01:43:46,750
a controlled provocation as we call it

2312
01:43:52,169 --> 01:43:50,019
to make the NFB think that a target

2313
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:52,179
think that you know they're an angry

2314
01:43:56,620 --> 01:43:53,360
American wanted

2315
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:56,630
you know sell America's secrets you got

2316
01:43:59,680 --> 01:43:57,920
to make sure you can trust this person

2317
01:44:01,090 --> 01:43:59,690
so you put them through this extensive

2318
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:01,100
vetting process and one of the things

2319
01:44:05,890 --> 01:44:03,770
you'll do is use roleplay you will put

2320
01:44:08,230 --> 01:44:05,900
that person you know you'll fly them to

2321
01:44:10,030 --> 01:44:08,240
another city in some cases and you'll

2322
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:10,040
have them spend a weekend going through

2323
01:44:16,510 --> 01:44:13,310
this whole mission that to them is very

2324
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:16,520
very real and you have role players you

2325
01:44:20,830 --> 01:44:18,050
know that are pretending to be Russians

2326
01:44:23,410 --> 01:44:20,840
or you know some other you know foreign

2327
01:44:24,970 --> 01:44:23,420
hostile intelligence service and you

2328
01:44:26,890 --> 01:44:24,980
know you pick your best people you put

2329
01:44:29,020 --> 01:44:26,900
this together and the whole thing is a

2330
01:44:31,630 --> 01:44:29,030
construct so you know there's an example

2331
01:44:35,380 --> 01:44:31,640
of there would be US Air Force

2332
01:44:38,980 --> 01:44:35,390
intelligence II who is creating this

2333
01:44:41,530 --> 01:44:38,990
complete dramatic fantasy in putting

2334
01:44:43,570 --> 01:44:41,540
somebody through this course that they

2335
01:44:47,110 --> 01:44:43,580
believe they're dealing with Russian

2336
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:47,120
agents in a city you know 500 miles from

2337
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:49,250
where they live they're following the

2338
01:44:52,630 --> 01:44:50,690
instructions and they're they're

2339
01:44:55,180 --> 01:44:52,640
encountering these people and the whole

2340
01:44:56,710 --> 01:44:55,190
time it's our own and we're just you

2341
01:44:59,730 --> 01:44:56,720
know making sure we can trust the guy

2342
01:45:02,860 --> 01:44:59,740
with money we making sure that you know

2343
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:02,870
that those women he meets in the bar who

2344
01:45:06,220 --> 01:45:04,130
are trying to get him to go to their

2345
01:45:08,530 --> 01:45:06,230
room they're our own people you know to

2346
01:45:10,690 --> 01:45:08,540
see if we can you know keep him on track

2347
01:45:13,780 --> 01:45:10,700
and can't be compromised and blah blah

2348
01:45:16,990 --> 01:45:13,790
blah so forth and the same thing could

2349
01:45:20,830 --> 01:45:17,000
be being done with both the ET

2350
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:20,840
hypothesis and this parallel hidden

2351
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,930
civilization hypothesis let me ask you a

2352
01:45:28,180 --> 01:45:25,760
questions our next segment about this

2353
01:45:39,580 --> 01:45:28,190
Walter Walter Bosley gene Steinberg

2354
01:45:48,590 --> 01:45:44,240
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2365
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2381
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:52,590
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2382
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2383
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2384
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2385
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2409
01:48:03,940 --> 01:47:59,600
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2410
01:48:12,740 --> 01:48:03,950
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2411
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:12,750
here's Jane Steinberg we talk a lot

2412
01:48:16,820 --> 01:48:14,610
about what was going on especially in

2413
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:16,830
the years after World War two and all

2414
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:18,810
the shenanigans in which the government

2415
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:21,570
might have played a part and also using

2416
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:24,570
possibly the cover story that we have et

2417
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:28,170
visitations as separate from possible

2418
01:48:34,610 --> 01:48:31,410
real of et visitations are we seeing

2419
01:48:38,450 --> 01:48:34,620
this stuff happening in 2017 if we look

2420
01:48:40,220 --> 01:48:38,460
at the paranormal and UFO fields in 2017

2421
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:40,230
we'll look at all the crazy things

2422
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:41,970
happening in government that we just

2423
01:48:45,110 --> 01:48:44,010
can't talk about because you'd want to

2424
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:45,120
hit your head against the wall because

2425
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:49,050
it feels so good when it stops right is

2426
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:52,050
this stuff going on now I think so I

2427
01:48:56,510 --> 01:48:54,360
look all three of us here and the

2428
01:48:59,960 --> 01:48:56,520
listeners for the most part as far as we

2429
01:49:02,570 --> 01:48:59,970
know are at a disadvantage when

2430
01:49:04,370 --> 01:49:02,580
discussing these things even I who was

2431
01:49:06,530 --> 01:49:04,380
you know and I'm putting the quotes

2432
01:49:08,810 --> 01:49:06,540
around there an insider you know within

2433
01:49:11,180 --> 01:49:08,820
the military and in the greater

2434
01:49:13,820 --> 01:49:11,190
intelligence community you know I'm at a

2435
01:49:16,220 --> 01:49:13,830
disadvantage as well to some degree

2436
01:49:18,770 --> 01:49:16,230
because you know I came off active duty

2437
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:18,780
in 1999 and went into counterterrorism I

2438
01:49:25,250 --> 01:49:21,690
I did a whole other bailiwick and so

2439
01:49:27,710 --> 01:49:25,260
we're trying we are the blind men with

2440
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:27,720
the trying to describe the elephant so

2441
01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:31,290
we have to say that yes this stuff is

2442
01:49:36,740 --> 01:49:33,900
probably still going on why wouldn't it

2443
01:49:38,510 --> 01:49:36,750
and here's the thing about it is I've

2444
01:49:40,610 --> 01:49:38,520
just described a scenario that could

2445
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:40,620
very well be going on that does not

2446
01:49:46,910 --> 01:49:44,490
eliminate actual et visitation and for

2447
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,920
all we know to some degree the ETS play

2448
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:48,960
a role in it they play their part in it

2449
01:49:54,170 --> 01:49:51,840
or the et visitation and issues are

2450
01:49:56,690 --> 01:49:54,180
completely separate from it but we're at

2451
01:49:58,340 --> 01:49:56,700
the disadvantage because we're all three

2452
01:50:03,470 --> 01:49:58,350
of us here in the listeners you know

2453
01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:03,480
we're outside of the what is going on so

2454
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:06,760
you know it's hard to say with certainty

2455
01:50:12,330 --> 01:50:09,040
that's just the way it is what we were

2456
01:50:14,580 --> 01:50:12,340
forced to just say yeah it could very

2457
01:50:16,500 --> 01:50:14,590
well be going on and that's the extent

2458
01:50:18,150 --> 01:50:16,510
to which we can carry it though it's

2459
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,160
really fascinating what you were saying

2460
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:20,320
before the break there about - role

2461
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:22,210
playing - takes place when recruiting

2462
01:50:28,050 --> 01:50:25,330
people related to that we've seen some

2463
01:50:30,270 --> 01:50:28,060
releases from people like Lesage and

2464
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:30,280
snowden the course now we think maybe

2465
01:50:34,050 --> 01:50:32,050
those have been sort of warped by the

2466
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:34,060
media and the people who want to believe

2467
01:50:37,890 --> 01:50:35,650
it and take it and spin it a certain way

2468
01:50:39,540 --> 01:50:37,900
but but what's your take on Snowden is

2469
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:39,550
heat the real thing or is he one of

2470
01:50:46,100 --> 01:50:44,170
these people you can trust - yeah I have

2471
01:50:50,729 --> 01:50:46,110
an interesting perspective on Snowden

2472
01:50:53,460 --> 01:50:50,739
for a couple of years 2007 most of 2008

2473
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:53,470
I was doing contract security background

2474
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:55,450
investigations essentially those people

2475
01:50:58,770 --> 01:50:56,890
who were going to work for the

2476
01:51:00,720 --> 01:50:58,780
government military corporations

2477
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:00,730
what-have-you in the national security

2478
01:51:06,150 --> 01:51:02,530
structure who required security

2479
01:51:09,390 --> 01:51:06,160
clearances folks like me and plenty of

2480
01:51:11,190 --> 01:51:09,400
people without experience like mine that

2481
01:51:13,740 --> 01:51:11,200
was the rub that was the problem

2482
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:13,750
we're the ones investigating these

2483
01:51:17,460 --> 01:51:15,280
background investigations so these

2484
01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:17,470
people could be adjudicated a security

2485
01:51:23,550 --> 01:51:21,040
clearance okay and I recall that what I

2486
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:23,560
hated but I'm gonna say it right here

2487
01:51:28,170 --> 01:51:26,410
without being specific look I'm a

2488
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:28,180
capitalist all right

2489
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:31,570
I believe in business so forth blah blah

2490
01:51:35,370 --> 01:51:33,250
blah I'm all for that

2491
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:35,380
however when it comes to national

2492
01:51:41,250 --> 01:51:37,930
security issues in in who gets security

2493
01:51:43,650 --> 01:51:41,260
clearances a typical American corporate

2494
01:51:47,490 --> 01:51:43,660
business thinking has no place

2495
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:47,500
whatsoever in being involved in the

2496
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:49,690
adjudication of security clearances as

2497
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:51,370
far as doing these backgrounds because

2498
01:51:58,740 --> 01:51:54,610
what I did it it was a cluster it was a

2499
01:52:02,930 --> 01:51:58,750
mess it's the one job that I just ended

2500
01:52:06,690 --> 01:52:02,940
up hating it and I left in disgust

2501
01:52:08,729 --> 01:52:06,700
because it was just it was just a sieve

2502
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:08,739
that stuff could get through that

2503
01:52:13,950 --> 01:52:10,690
shouldn't I got through now to bring it

2504
01:52:15,870 --> 01:52:13,960
back to Snowden Edward Snowden you know

2505
01:52:17,070 --> 01:52:15,880
how he got his clearance and in you know

2506
01:52:18,319 --> 01:52:17,080
where he works and stuff he was a

2507
01:52:20,990 --> 01:52:18,329
product of that prior

2508
01:52:22,580 --> 01:52:21,000
where you had contract people again

2509
01:52:24,580 --> 01:52:22,590
without naming it the organization I

2510
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:24,590
worked for and there were two or three

2511
01:52:29,359 --> 01:52:27,570
that did this but they would do is they

2512
01:52:31,399 --> 01:52:29,369
would hire anybody who could breathe and

2513
01:52:32,839 --> 01:52:31,409
walk and they would just give them you

2514
01:52:35,060 --> 01:52:32,849
know they'd give them this double-sided

2515
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:35,070
one sheet of questions and they have

2516
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:37,170
them go through these questions and then

2517
01:52:41,419 --> 01:52:39,090
they write up their report and then this

2518
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:41,429
is what's used to determine whether the

2519
01:52:46,129 --> 01:52:43,770
person gets a security clearance or gets

2520
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:46,139
it renewed now you know when you're a

2521
01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:48,719
federal agent the stuff that's in a

2522
01:52:53,270 --> 01:52:51,030
security background investigation is the

2523
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:53,280
the basic first step of every

2524
01:52:57,770 --> 01:52:55,770
investigation you do so you become

2525
01:53:01,069 --> 01:52:57,780
pretty good at this stuff

2526
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:01,079
okay because it was big again primary

2527
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:04,170
step one in any investigation you did so

2528
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:06,480
every person I know who was a former

2529
01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:08,880
professional you know in this case

2530
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:11,130
federal investigator who had done these

2531
01:53:15,229 --> 01:53:12,449
contract security background

2532
01:53:17,089 --> 01:53:15,239
investigations hated the process that

2533
01:53:19,879 --> 01:53:17,099
they were being forced to use they would

2534
01:53:21,319 --> 01:53:19,889
leave again in disgust because they saw

2535
01:53:23,689 --> 01:53:21,329
that these things weren't being done

2536
01:53:25,850 --> 01:53:23,699
right what the companies that do these

2537
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:25,860
investigations are more interested in is

2538
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:28,290
making their dollar and just getting the

2539
01:53:34,729 --> 01:53:31,130
stuff done okay they don't care about

2540
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:34,739
the nuances that pop up if somebody's

2541
01:53:40,399 --> 01:53:36,900
got something to hide okay if they're

2542
01:53:42,500 --> 01:53:40,409
actually being moved to go work for any

2543
01:53:43,790 --> 01:53:42,510
of the aerospace corporations and get a

2544
01:53:45,770 --> 01:53:43,800
security clearance and get in there and

2545
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:45,780
say install secrets or give secrets

2546
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:47,730
you're gonna detect that through the

2547
01:53:53,299 --> 01:53:50,130
subtleties in your interview and in your

2548
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:53,309
investigation well you know you were not

2549
01:53:56,899 --> 01:53:55,290
really encouraged to take the proper

2550
01:53:59,839 --> 01:53:56,909
time to do these things you were just

2551
01:54:01,160 --> 01:53:59,849
encouraged as a contract investigator to

2552
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:01,170
just get it done just go through the

2553
01:54:06,890 --> 01:54:04,110
questions get it done right and Edward

2554
01:54:11,299 --> 01:54:06,900
Snowden was a product of that process so

2555
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:11,309
there are issues that I and some others

2556
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:13,530
I know have with Snowden in that you

2557
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:15,210
know for instance how quickly and how

2558
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:19,170
easily he ran over to Russia okay is it

2559
01:54:24,589 --> 01:54:22,050
possible that he had been acquainted

2560
01:54:28,609 --> 01:54:24,599
with Russian intelligence prior to you

2561
01:54:30,350 --> 01:54:28,619
know doing what he did that's possible

2562
01:54:31,250 --> 01:54:30,360
tell me from my perspective that's very

2563
01:54:34,130 --> 01:54:31,260
possible

2564
01:54:37,130 --> 01:54:34,140
and if these background investigations

2565
01:54:38,540 --> 01:54:37,140
were allowed to be done properly back

2566
01:54:40,220 --> 01:54:38,550
then I don't know if they've improved it

2567
01:54:42,830 --> 01:54:40,230
now but if they were allowed to be done

2568
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:42,840
properly by the right people experienced

2569
01:54:49,820 --> 01:54:45,530
in doing this Edward Snowden you know

2570
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:49,830
might not have happened now now there's

2571
01:54:54,260 --> 01:54:51,570
that I've said that from the perspective

2572
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:54,270
of a former federal agent the national

2573
01:55:00,350 --> 01:54:56,610
security guy that now there's the issue

2574
01:55:04,460 --> 01:55:00,360
of Snowden has put stuff out there that

2575
01:55:06,979 --> 01:55:04,470
you kind of go hmm okay that's it's good

2576
01:55:08,620 --> 01:55:06,989
to know that you know that's that's kind

2577
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:08,630
of interesting

2578
01:55:15,050 --> 01:55:12,170
which leads then to WikiLeaks and Julian

2579
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:15,060
Assange and you know some of the stuff

2580
01:55:21,650 --> 01:55:18,450
he does you find guys like me you know

2581
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:21,660
giving thumbs up in it so there's this

2582
01:55:27,110 --> 01:55:24,690
conflict on the one hand you know might

2583
01:55:29,780 --> 01:55:27,120
my old federal agent knee-jerk reaction

2584
01:55:31,010 --> 01:55:29,790
is that darn guys stealing secrets and

2585
01:55:33,770 --> 01:55:31,020
spread them around which is a bad thing

2586
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:33,780
I'm not making light of that but then on

2587
01:55:37,550 --> 01:55:35,850
the other hand there's the you know the

2588
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:37,560
human being who says you know what

2589
01:55:45,410 --> 01:55:39,360
sometimes some stuff does need to get

2590
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:45,420
out there so it's with Snowden it's out

2591
01:55:51,620 --> 01:55:48,530
of two months that's where I'm at

2592
01:55:53,930 --> 01:55:51,630
yeah well he was sent to the CIA's

2593
01:55:55,700 --> 01:55:53,940
secret school for technology specialists

2594
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:55,710
where he lived in a hotel for six months

2595
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:57,690
and studied and trained full-time so I

2596
01:56:01,760 --> 01:55:59,280
think he had a little bit more than a

2597
01:56:02,630 --> 01:56:01,770
couple of sheets of paper you know per

2598
01:56:06,410 --> 01:56:02,640
his credentials

2599
01:56:08,479 --> 01:56:06,420
no no what what I beat is the the oh you

2600
01:56:11,380 --> 01:56:08,489
mean as far as his background

2601
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:11,390
investigation or just his personal

2602
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:14,400
credentials yeah III would agree with

2603
01:56:19,460 --> 01:56:16,560
you there's more there's more to Edward

2604
01:56:22,460 --> 01:56:19,470
Snowden than I think people realize from

2605
01:56:25,490 --> 01:56:22,470
a an intelligence community perspective

2606
01:56:29,870 --> 01:56:25,500
absolutely yeah yeah but if there's not

2607
01:56:32,570 --> 01:56:29,880
if he was just a guy who you know was a

2608
01:56:34,580 --> 01:56:32,580
smart guy what he does just wanted to go

2609
01:56:37,790 --> 01:56:34,590
work for that construct and and let's

2610
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:37,800
say his if his security clearance was

2611
01:56:42,709 --> 01:56:40,850
issued just based on one of these

2612
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:42,719
corporate type of background

2613
01:56:49,540 --> 01:56:44,480
investigations that they've

2614
01:56:51,730 --> 01:56:49,550
oh my god I you know I I would you know

2615
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:51,740
hope that there was there was more done

2616
01:56:56,230 --> 01:56:53,840
but it's yeah it seems like there was

2617
01:56:58,210 --> 01:56:56,240
more done well I mean if you if you sort

2618
01:57:00,850 --> 01:56:58,220
of look into a bit of the history with

2619
01:57:02,470 --> 01:57:00,860
it and I suppose if any of the movie can

2620
01:57:04,810 --> 01:57:02,480
be believed which seems to be fairly

2621
01:57:06,580 --> 01:57:04,820
accurate there were lie detector tests

2622
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:06,590
and interviews and tests and trainings

2623
01:57:14,110 --> 01:57:09,770
and and so on but I mean it does seem

2624
01:57:16,090 --> 01:57:14,120
kind of interesting that he didn't

2625
01:57:20,470 --> 01:57:16,100
really want to go to Russia but just

2626
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:20,480
somehow ended up there you know yeah and

2627
01:57:25,780 --> 01:57:23,090
then then let's talk the Russians you

2628
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:25,790
know I'm somebody who spent darn near

2629
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:28,480
every day of 12 years of my career

2630
01:57:34,210 --> 01:57:31,850
targeted against the Russians let's talk

2631
01:57:35,980 --> 01:57:34,220
about the Russians and more they're

2632
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probably listening right now to walter

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Bosley Jean Steinberg and Randall Murphy

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very active he's known as usual suspect

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in the forums Chris Ryan's on special

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week we have Walter Bosley author of

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Randall you had a further question well

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I think that was just really fascinating

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stuff there that Walter you were sharing

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with us about your experience on the

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inside to some degree and some of your

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insights there but really I mean you're

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here to talk about your book to some

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degree so you know what what's the real

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main thing you wanna you want us to get

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out of this I mean you've got first of

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all come on here let's let's hear it yes

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well you know we've been we've been

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managing to cover you know a bit about

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what what the book is about it gets into

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again my dad had told me the story for

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several years and I decided you know

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it's really time I addressed that had

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been kind of out there I've talked about

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it I'd written the article about it and

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I just decided you know okay it's time

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that I really don't it on all the things

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that were part of the story that perhaps

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I hadn't talked about things that I had

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believed after the last time I'd written

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about it and really that's that's what

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the book is is my you know more thorough

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exploration of that and as I did the you

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know was putting the book together the

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research I was discovering you know an

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entire aspects that I had no idea to be

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honest you know I had never looked into

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the specifics of Operation Paperclip in

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the US Air Force for example didn't

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realize that they were so hand in hand

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that really when you look at Operation

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Paperclip as I said before what you find

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at the heart of who was driving it it

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was very specifically US Army Air Corps

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/ US Air Force aviation medicine who

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wanted the German aviation medical side

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that was the driving force the original

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driving force behind Operation Paperclip

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that really made it happen you know

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after a few years in the Air Force and

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even talking with my dad I had no idea

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so that was fascinating for me and then

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of course that led to the MKULTRA

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connection and how enthused in involved

2795
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again US Air Force aviation medicine was

2796
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with MKULTRA and I began to see wow

2797
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maybe there's a connection here between

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my dad's weird tale and what these guys

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were doing with what you know originally

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was Nazi psych psychiatric science and

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this MKULTRA project when they were

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given a bunch of money and basically

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free rein you know hey do it go forth

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and you know do all your weird stuff and

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then that led you know to American

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scientists say it okay we can have fun

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with this and then here you have my

2808
02:05:38,990 --> 02:05:33,970
dad's weird story and honestly as I say

2809
02:05:43,740 --> 02:05:39,000
in the book it can be explained by

2810
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MKULTRA and Cold War secrecy but my

2811
02:05:48,330 --> 02:05:46,570
dad's story it could have been it could

2812
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have been I'm not saying it is or I

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conclude that it is what I'm saying is

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I'm acknowledging that it could have

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been and what they call they planted

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narrative because they were playing with

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that they wanted to play with that to

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cover classified information they wanted

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to play with the idea of planting a

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narrative in the head of a field agent

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so they were playing with that at the

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time they were playing with psychedelics

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all sorts of things and I felt it was

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you know necessary for me to go into

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that it's a possible explanation for

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what my dad experienced I think that's

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really interesting how does the house of

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an you fit into this then oh well

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02:06:36,630 --> 02:06:31,900
that gets into what when you look at the

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when you do the analysis of the story my

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dad told

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what and who he encountered what you see

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are how do you put it what you see are

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02:06:54,510 --> 02:06:52,510
characteristics of old fairy lore the

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the encounters that people had in

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ancient tons and in past centuries with

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you know what they called the fairy folk

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in you know in the Celtic culture and a

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group a culture of the people known as

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the too often that I'm sorry the two-way

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diamond

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okay and what's very interesting is that

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Jacques Vallee in the 80s when he was

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writing his books and you know he talks

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02:07:30,660 --> 02:07:26,800
about this in passport - magana and his

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other books that he wrote after that he

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kept coming to the lore of encounters

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02:07:40,319 --> 02:07:37,179
with these people these - wait did it

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02:07:42,419 --> 02:07:40,329
ends and I go into that in the book a

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little bit because some of the

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encounters that Valais writes about

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actual UFO encounters or missing time

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encounters have the some of the exact

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same things that my dad said he

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encountered when he and another guy

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stumbled upon some of these underworld

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denizens one of them being this hollow

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tube that the individual carried and

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aimed it at the guy he was with and the

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guy he was with kind of shut down and

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just was dead before he hit the ground

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and Jacques Vallee and others have

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written about UFO encounters in which

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the same kind of thing has happened

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where this being aims this hollow tube

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at the witness and the witness is

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stunned like a thousand needles and you

2868
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:37,000
know it's it's very similar told my

2869
02:08:42,510 --> 02:08:39,520
dad's encounter and this same thing is

2870
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talked about in the Lord of the fairy

2871
02:08:48,479 --> 02:08:46,270
encounters so what do you think's going

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02:08:50,459 --> 02:08:48,489
on there then I mean are we talking

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about some sort of unusual technology

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that example

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to affect people's nervous systems or is

2876
02:08:58,260 --> 02:08:56,110
some sort of deception where you know he

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kind of points the thing and someone

2878
02:09:02,850 --> 02:09:01,030
like a sniper off it but no side aims a

2879
02:09:05,820 --> 02:09:02,860
microwave beam at them or something oh

2880
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:05,830
that's that that's interesting I I don't

2881
02:09:09,990 --> 02:09:08,650
think it would it would be I would lead

2882
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:10,000
more towards

2883
02:09:14,700 --> 02:09:12,610
oh yeah just some type of you know

2884
02:09:17,460 --> 02:09:14,710
technology that the wielder of that

2885
02:09:19,620 --> 02:09:17,470
thing you know has remember who it was

2886
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:19,630
either Asimov or Clarke that said any

2887
02:09:23,010 --> 02:09:21,250
sufficiently advanced technology would

2888
02:09:26,610 --> 02:09:23,020
appear is magic you know to the

2889
02:09:29,430 --> 02:09:26,620
untrained eye you know yeah we're

2890
02:09:31,410 --> 02:09:29,440
talking about this serves this serves

2891
02:09:33,630 --> 02:09:31,420
the narrative of the idea of the hidden

2892
02:09:38,580 --> 02:09:33,640
civilization that has this this other

2893
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:38,590
technology is the obvious point there

2894
02:09:47,430 --> 02:09:43,450
but the the the idea that what my dad

2895
02:09:51,150 --> 02:09:47,440
encountered is found in UFO lore both

2896
02:09:54,120 --> 02:09:51,160
before and after you know valet writes

2897
02:09:58,790 --> 02:09:54,130
about the story I think it was Nebraska

2898
02:10:01,620 --> 02:09:58,800
I'd have to look but a guy you know

2899
02:10:03,660 --> 02:10:01,630
describes this person with this hollow

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tube and you know that's just a few

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years after what my dad encountered in

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eastern Arizona and then you have the

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natives in the area of the Paiute Indian

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legends in this you know the greater you

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and more with Walter Bosley Randall

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Cyclopes in other books when you're

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listening to the podcast

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Randall is taking the hint in trying to

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be decorative about it now we could talk

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about these stories forever Walter about

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all the strange things have gone on and

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right exist are as reflective of the

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ancient lore and the things have done in

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the past absolutely and you know I think

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that was you know valet is conclusion at

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the time and his point is that hey folks

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you know and he said as much there's

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been something going on here with these

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other people for a very long time very

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specifically this group called the -

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Aidan and I think it's it's either from

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my perspective right now either these

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two way he didn't an exist they're out

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there or somebody is going out of their

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way to appear as such which is

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interesting in itself

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who are these two aid to in whatever you

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call them they appeared from the sky in

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a cloud many centuries ago in Ireland I

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believe they came and they conquered the

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people that were there who you know the

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human civilization the Celtx

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civilization that was there and once

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they made it clear that they had the

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superior civilization and they beat them

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in battle they embraced them and kind of

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became oh you know eventually they

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become you know these these mythological

3057
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God figures you can find them in Irish

3058
02:16:51,169 --> 02:16:49,410
mythology but when you go back to the

3059
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route that that was the story they they

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came from the sky and a thunderous cloud

3061
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they were there for a while and then

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this upper culture came and drove them

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off another strong culture the the

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femoral I believe from getting that

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right and the Twain didn't end

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disappeared from the British Isles and

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what's interesting is during the time

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that they were away

3069
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we go to the lore of the Americas and in

3070
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parts of Asia and we see these figures

3071
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that are increasingly similar to the to

3072
02:17:31,900 --> 02:17:29,030
wait at an end of the Irish and there

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02:17:35,260 --> 02:17:31,910
are some things going on in those parts

3074
02:17:39,070 --> 02:17:35,270
of the world and about the time that in

3075
02:17:41,950 --> 02:17:39,080
the the lore of the ancient Americas you

3076
02:17:45,190 --> 02:17:41,960
know we're talking the pre-flood type

3077
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stuff the the early you know with it

3078
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when the Aztecs and the Mayans of stuff

3079
02:17:50,410 --> 02:17:48,469
would talk about the old ones and such

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you know in their legends about the time

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02:17:58,589 --> 02:17:53,980
that their version of the Tway

3082
02:18:00,610 --> 02:17:58,599
disappeared left them we have the 2-way

3083
02:18:03,790 --> 02:18:00,620
reappearing in the British Isles

3084
02:18:06,190 --> 02:18:03,800
so it appears upon analysis that it

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could be that this this culture this

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other civilization of people wouldn't

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have left the British Isles they went to

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other parts of the world and then they

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02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:13,400
they finally returned and they

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ultimately according to the lore they

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went underground and and decided to live

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in the subterranean realms of the earth

3093
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so right there as you can see is the

3094
02:18:32,589 --> 02:18:29,750
root of what my dad was told and that

3095
02:18:35,440 --> 02:18:32,599
brings us back to either the two-way

3096
02:18:38,950 --> 02:18:35,450
exist or somebody is going out of their

3097
02:18:41,339 --> 02:18:38,960
way to appear as the - way wasn't that

3098
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:41,349
the shaver stuff gene the underground

3099
02:18:46,720 --> 02:18:43,760
civilizations one of the underground

3100
02:18:50,589 --> 02:18:46,730
stories Richard shaver in his case he

3101
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:50,599
talked about the remnants of people who

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went into the caverns when there was a

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02:18:57,250 --> 02:18:54,139
catastrophe

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02:18:59,140 --> 02:18:57,260
right thousands of years ago and that's

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02:19:00,640 --> 02:18:59,150
something that's the stuff of legend you

3106
02:19:02,770 --> 02:19:00,650
know he wasn't the first person to write

3107
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:02,780
about that it's just he called them

3108
02:19:08,950 --> 02:19:06,170
DeRose for the bad ones and heroes for

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02:19:12,010 --> 02:19:08,960
the good ones right there's just the

3110
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:12,020
splendid low-budget movie that if you

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02:19:17,470 --> 02:19:14,240
find the shaver stuff interesting and

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02:19:19,419 --> 02:19:17,480
fun you've got to check out a film by a

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guy named Polk Runyon called beyond

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Lemuria it's it's a hoot and a half and

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02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:26,990
it has a shaver lore

3116
02:19:34,121 --> 02:19:30,890
and this stuff in but but it's a it's a

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02:19:36,460 --> 02:19:34,131
it's a fun romp with the shaver Lord the

3118
02:19:38,680 --> 02:19:36,470
subterranean civilization stuff anybody

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02:19:41,170 --> 02:19:38,690
who loves cheesy movie that I highly

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recommend this it's a prized part of my

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02:19:47,020 --> 02:19:44,780
collection let me go to another group of

3122
02:19:49,571 --> 02:19:47,030
stories we hear about underground

3123
02:19:51,640 --> 02:19:49,581
civilizations and that's the legends

3124
02:19:53,381 --> 02:19:51,650
about Antarctica and you had heard

3125
02:19:55,360 --> 02:19:53,391
something about this some years back

3126
02:19:57,491 --> 02:19:55,370
that you wanted to mention briefly but

3127
02:19:59,801 --> 02:19:57,501
of course just recently our old friend

3128
02:20:01,991 --> 02:19:59,811
Tim Beckley came out with another one of

3129
02:20:04,591 --> 02:20:02,001
these Admiral Byrd books where

3130
02:20:06,881 --> 02:20:04,601
supposedly Admiral Byrd discovered this

3131
02:20:08,831 --> 02:20:06,891
civilization beyond the poles or

3132
02:20:10,211 --> 02:20:08,841
something like that but what's the story

3133
02:20:13,451 --> 02:20:10,221
about Antarctica that you were

3134
02:20:15,730 --> 02:20:13,461
mentioning to me briefly well basically

3135
02:20:18,161 --> 02:20:15,740
the and this is the reason why I'm

3136
02:20:19,751 --> 02:20:18,171
interested in you know what's being

3137
02:20:24,610 --> 02:20:19,761
bandied about what's being talked about

3138
02:20:28,541 --> 02:20:24,620
now is that in it essentially due to a

3139
02:20:30,251 --> 02:20:28,551
very mysterious event series of events

3140
02:20:37,150 --> 02:20:30,261
and in the life of a friend who had

3141
02:20:41,821 --> 02:20:37,160
passed away in 1989 I had reason to you

3142
02:20:44,680 --> 02:20:41,831
know ask my mentor about Antarctica and

3143
02:20:47,350 --> 02:20:44,690
you know initially he wouldn't tell me

3144
02:20:49,421 --> 02:20:47,360
and then I was with the FBI at the time

3145
02:20:52,241 --> 02:20:49,431
I think and then later on when I was in

3146
02:20:54,451 --> 02:20:52,251
the Air Force you know the the subject

3147
02:20:58,270 --> 02:20:54,461
came up and I asked him again and in

3148
02:21:02,770 --> 02:20:58,280
1997 20 years ago essentially all he

3149
02:21:04,571 --> 02:21:02,780
told me was that back this would have

3150
02:21:07,841 --> 02:21:04,581
been after world war ii was my

3151
02:21:10,991 --> 02:21:07,851
understanding a huge hole had been found

3152
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:11,001
in antarctica and down in there under

3153
02:21:21,161 --> 02:21:16,730
the ice they found huge giant machinery

3154
02:21:24,011 --> 02:21:21,171
that was very old and the way he put it

3155
02:21:25,900 --> 02:21:24,021
was that this I guess the existence of

3156
02:21:27,180 --> 02:21:25,910
it the size of it I don't know the the

3157
02:21:29,591 --> 02:21:27,190
nature of it which he didn't tell me

3158
02:21:33,161 --> 02:21:29,601
other than it was very old that it was

3159
02:21:37,421 --> 02:21:33,171
gigantic it supposedly scared the hell

3160
02:21:39,100 --> 02:21:37,431
out of the people who found it and he

3161
02:21:40,570 --> 02:21:39,110
explained that its friend of mine who

3162
02:21:44,680 --> 02:21:40,580
had died in 89

3163
02:21:47,500 --> 02:21:44,690
1860 had gone down there and had when he

3164
02:21:51,551 --> 02:21:47,510
was with the US Air Force this gentleman

3165
02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:51,561
and had done some classified work down

3166
02:21:54,610 --> 02:21:53,090
there and something bad had happened to

3167
02:21:59,910 --> 02:21:54,620
him he was in the hospital for a year

3168
02:22:03,400 --> 02:21:59,920
and that's basically what I was told in

3169
02:22:06,250 --> 02:22:03,410
1997 now you know this was something

3170
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:06,260
that was told to me you know on the Qt

3171
02:22:10,810 --> 02:22:08,570
and it was not an official briefing I

3172
02:22:12,940 --> 02:22:10,820
did not go to a vault and get this

3173
02:22:14,860 --> 02:22:12,950
officially a brief officially briefed to

3174
02:22:17,170 --> 02:22:14,870
me with a dossier and all that okay this

3175
02:22:20,410 --> 02:22:17,180
was something that was told to me by a

3176
02:22:23,470 --> 02:22:20,420
man who's now dead and you know I kind

3177
02:22:24,940 --> 02:22:23,480
of just kept it to myself for years and

3178
02:22:26,830 --> 02:22:24,950
then over the years you know you've

3179
02:22:28,150 --> 02:22:26,840
you've seen this interest you know that

3180
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:28,160
they've talked about what the Russians

3181
02:22:31,870 --> 02:22:30,050
have found in Lake Vostok and Antarctica

3182
02:22:34,180 --> 02:22:31,880
and I thought hmm that's that's kind of

3183
02:22:35,980 --> 02:22:34,190
similar to what you know he had told me

3184
02:22:40,450 --> 02:22:35,990
and then you know in the last year of

3185
02:22:42,670 --> 02:22:40,460
course we've had this virtually the same

3186
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:42,680
basics is that something's been found

3187
02:22:48,340 --> 02:22:45,050
under the ice and you know a cave or a

3188
02:22:50,590 --> 02:22:48,350
hole and you know there might be the

3189
02:22:52,600 --> 02:22:50,600
remnants of a lost civilization down

3190
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:52,610
there there's there's even a story about

3191
02:22:56,710 --> 02:22:55,040
a a team of scientists went down there

3192
02:23:00,190 --> 02:22:56,720
when they when they came up they were

3193
02:23:01,930 --> 02:23:00,200
catatonic at what they saw you have all

3194
02:23:02,500 --> 02:23:01,940
these luminaries going down to

3195
02:23:05,470 --> 02:23:02,510
Antarctica

3196
02:23:08,590 --> 02:23:05,480
you know curable the orthodox patriarch

3197
02:23:10,301 --> 02:23:08,600
john kerry who at the time the secretary

3198
02:23:13,900 --> 02:23:10,311
state and he goes down antarctica on

3199
02:23:16,120 --> 02:23:13,910
Election Day okay and and you even have

3200
02:23:18,011 --> 02:23:16,130
the stories of Buzz Aldrin you know he

3201
02:23:20,500 --> 02:23:18,021
did go down there of course he got

3202
02:23:22,180 --> 02:23:20,510
medevac'd out but you have all these

3203
02:23:24,340 --> 02:23:22,190
stories about what he may or may not

3204
02:23:26,470 --> 02:23:24,350
have said about what he saw down there

3205
02:23:31,830 --> 02:23:26,480
it's all very interesting I think

3206
02:23:34,480 --> 02:23:31,840
there's a ton of BS that's being said

3207
02:23:37,570 --> 02:23:34,490
and applied to this situation you know

3208
02:23:41,020 --> 02:23:37,580
to for people to milk as much

3209
02:23:44,020 --> 02:23:41,030
opportunity out it's possible you know

3210
02:23:46,270 --> 02:23:44,030
but all I can say is what I just

3211
02:23:48,880 --> 02:23:46,280
described what I was told and is that

3212
02:23:52,860 --> 02:23:48,890
the hole was found sometime after World

3213
02:23:55,080 --> 02:23:52,870
War two and this ancient old machinery

3214
02:23:58,200 --> 02:23:55,090
and basically that's all I was told I

3215
02:24:00,511 --> 02:23:58,210
can't you know verify corroborated and I

3216
02:24:02,250 --> 02:24:00,521
haven't seen it myself but I find it

3217
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:02,260
interesting that I was told this really

3218
02:24:07,890 --> 02:24:05,610
20 years ago and it's pretty close to

3219
02:24:11,011 --> 02:24:07,900
stuff that's being bandied about today

3220
02:24:12,810 --> 02:24:11,021
so was I told disinformation that's kind

3221
02:24:14,490 --> 02:24:12,820
of an inking the water to see if I'd run

3222
02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:14,500
my mouth with something that I was told

3223
02:24:19,860 --> 02:24:16,930
on the Qt I'm talking about it publicly

3224
02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:19,870
now but at the time is when that ink in

3225
02:24:23,700 --> 02:24:21,210
the water would have been important

3226
02:24:26,070 --> 02:24:23,710
let's discuss this in further detail

3227
02:24:28,710 --> 02:24:26,080
before we wrap up the show with Walter

3228
02:24:38,290 --> 02:24:28,720
Bosley gene Steinberg Randall Murphy and

3229
02:24:46,350 --> 02:24:41,620
thank you for listening to GCS

3230
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these exclusive para cast things that

3232
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3233
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we've got like I guess 60 or so

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colors we even have stuff for children

3248
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large a lot good stuff that's the swag

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3256
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3300
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3319
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3320
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3322
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seven if these uncertain times it makes

3323
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sense to have a sustainable backup

3324
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3325
02:28:26,690 --> 02:28:25,021
your current plan includes using a fuel

3326
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burning stove or cooking over an open

3327
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3337
02:28:59,321 --> 02:28:57,200
hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

3338
02:29:01,241 --> 02:28:59,331
of dark skies the co-author of AD after

3339
02:29:03,390 --> 02:29:01,251
disclosure and you are listening to the

3340
02:29:05,800 --> 02:29:03,400
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3341
02:29:12,219 --> 02:29:05,810
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3342
02:29:14,719 --> 02:29:12,229
[Music]

3343
02:29:17,780 --> 02:29:14,729
we have one more segment with Walter

3344
02:29:20,359 --> 02:29:17,790
Bosley Randall Murphy known as usual

3345
02:29:22,219 --> 02:29:20,369
suspect in our forums is a guest co-host

3346
02:29:24,320 --> 02:29:22,229
Chris O'Brien we'll be back next time

3347
02:29:26,719 --> 02:29:24,330
and we're talking about shimmering light

3348
02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:26,729
and all sorts of mysteries such as the

3349
02:29:32,689 --> 02:29:29,520
Antarctica mystery now we've got all

3350
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:32,699
this crazy quilt stuff going on Walter

3351
02:29:36,349 --> 02:29:35,010
and we're in the final segment now so we

3352
02:29:39,559 --> 02:29:36,359
kind of want to bring it to a summary

3353
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:39,569
that we prove any of this how do we

3354
02:29:44,149 --> 02:29:42,090
prove the story about Antarctica how do

3355
02:29:46,700 --> 02:29:44,159
we prove what the government was doing

3356
02:29:49,099 --> 02:29:46,710
with mind-control years ago how do we

3357
02:29:52,910 --> 02:29:49,109
prove if they did staged something like

3358
02:29:55,340 --> 02:29:52,920
the Betty and Barney Hill contact well

3359
02:29:59,030 --> 02:29:55,350
that's the trick the hardest thing about

3360
02:30:01,010 --> 02:29:59,040
Antarctica is really the way you can

3361
02:30:03,830 --> 02:30:01,020
prove it is just you got to get down

3362
02:30:06,590 --> 02:30:03,840
there and we know how difficult that is

3363
02:30:08,630 --> 02:30:06,600
and that's to the advantage of whatever

3364
02:30:10,130 --> 02:30:08,640
is really going on you know to whoever

3365
02:30:12,679 --> 02:30:10,140
is doing whatever they're doing down

3366
02:30:15,769 --> 02:30:12,689
there is the fact that it is so

3367
02:30:18,710 --> 02:30:15,779
difficult to get to and so difficult to

3368
02:30:21,229 --> 02:30:18,720
be in as far as you know the kind of

3369
02:30:24,649 --> 02:30:21,239
place it is so they have the advantage

3370
02:30:27,950 --> 02:30:24,659
where Antarctica is concerned on these

3371
02:30:30,019 --> 02:30:27,960
other things we know first thanks to the

3372
02:30:32,840 --> 02:30:30,029
Church Committee in 1973 we know that

3373
02:30:36,109 --> 02:30:32,850
MKULTRA existed we can see the extent to

3374
02:30:38,990 --> 02:30:36,119
which the CIA revealed they were

3375
02:30:41,139 --> 02:30:39,000
carrying the program we also know it's a

3376
02:30:44,540 --> 02:30:41,149
fact that the US Air Force was

3377
02:30:48,229 --> 02:30:44,550
enthusiastically involved with their

3378
02:30:51,979 --> 02:30:48,239
version of MKULTRA so you know you just

3379
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:51,989
got to do that tried-and-true FOI a

3380
02:30:57,920 --> 02:30:55,680
request FOIA request on any documents

3381
02:31:01,040 --> 02:30:57,930
with that that I remind the listener

3382
02:31:03,290 --> 02:31:01,050
that we are not England we don't have a

3383
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:03,300
50-year rule and if something is

3384
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:05,840
determined to need to remain classified

3385
02:31:11,540 --> 02:31:08,970
it can remain so indefinitely in the

3386
02:31:14,300 --> 02:31:11,550
United States so you know you can try

3387
02:31:17,359 --> 02:31:14,310
FOIA but it may be one of those fat

3388
02:31:19,609 --> 02:31:17,369
chance you know situations as far as

3389
02:31:22,609 --> 02:31:19,619
something like the to wade

3390
02:31:25,789 --> 02:31:22,619
and or the you know supposed to hidden

3391
02:31:28,039 --> 02:31:25,799
civilization fortunately you know we

3392
02:31:30,260 --> 02:31:28,049
have people spelunker 'z and explorers

3393
02:31:33,349 --> 02:31:30,270
who can go down into the subterranean

3394
02:31:36,829 --> 02:31:33,359
realms and poke around in these cavern

3395
02:31:38,840 --> 02:31:36,839
systems and see what they find you know

3396
02:31:42,649 --> 02:31:38,850
they might find that the most likely

3397
02:31:44,510 --> 02:31:42,659
places or places associated with the

3398
02:31:48,199 --> 02:31:44,520
legend of the lore mine interestingly

3399
02:31:49,579 --> 02:31:48,209
beasts you know limited access you know

3400
02:31:51,709 --> 02:31:49,589
you find something like that that's

3401
02:31:54,499 --> 02:31:51,719
that's very interesting now it could be

3402
02:31:57,050 --> 02:31:54,509
that it's because it's dangerous but

3403
02:32:00,409 --> 02:31:57,060
it's going to take getting out there and

3404
02:32:02,539 --> 02:32:00,419
using the investigative tools and really

3405
02:32:04,999 --> 02:32:02,549
you know don't take my word for things

3406
02:32:06,859 --> 02:32:05,009
go out there dig into it yourself you

3407
02:32:09,019 --> 02:32:06,869
might find other conclusions you might

3408
02:32:11,689 --> 02:32:09,029
find other evidence you might find the

3409
02:32:12,679 --> 02:32:11,699
opening - you know shavers mysterious

3410
02:32:16,729 --> 02:32:12,689
world of the Darrow

3411
02:32:18,499 --> 02:32:16,739
but the point is get out there and dig

3412
02:32:21,169 --> 02:32:18,509
into it yourself and see what you find

3413
02:32:23,329 --> 02:32:21,179
the only problem is if you find the

3414
02:32:27,050 --> 02:32:23,339
secret world of the Darrow and the Tarot

3415
02:32:29,449 --> 02:32:27,060
you may not come back or if you find the

3416
02:32:32,209 --> 02:32:29,459
land of the - a dead man you might not

3417
02:32:33,889 --> 02:32:32,219
want to come back and I will refer the

3418
02:32:35,869 --> 02:32:33,899
readers to the Jeri

3419
02:32:38,090 --> 02:32:35,879
Irwin case which I talk about in my book

3420
02:32:41,389 --> 02:32:38,100
shimmering light which valet talks about

3421
02:32:43,849 --> 02:32:41,399
in one of his books you know he was

3422
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:43,859
never seen again but you know bring it

3423
02:32:50,149 --> 02:32:46,560
brings to mind the the movie and the the

3424
02:32:52,879 --> 02:32:50,159
the play Brigadoon which the American

3425
02:32:54,409 --> 02:32:52,889
goes across the bridge and finds the

3426
02:32:57,019 --> 02:32:54,419
wonderful Scottish village of two

3427
02:32:59,899 --> 02:32:57,029
hundred years before and he decides he

3428
02:33:02,659 --> 02:32:59,909
wants to go back and stay so there's

3429
02:33:04,879 --> 02:33:02,669
that to consider of course we had

3430
02:33:07,879 --> 02:33:04,889
presented the account by the late John

3431
02:33:11,539 --> 02:33:07,889
Robinson of an artist named Steve Brody

3432
02:33:13,519 --> 02:33:11,549
who in the 1940s talked about exploring

3433
02:33:15,559 --> 02:33:13,529
mines with some friends i guess in the

3434
02:33:18,199 --> 02:33:15,569
southwest i recall where it happened and

3435
02:33:22,099 --> 02:33:18,209
they were captured by the DeRose and

3436
02:33:26,239 --> 02:33:22,109
spent years as their slaves as captives

3437
02:33:29,959 --> 02:33:26,249
till they got out and the final part of

3438
02:33:33,300 --> 02:33:29,969
the story was the comment from mr.

3439
02:33:35,130 --> 02:33:33,310
Robinson that Steve Brody

3440
02:33:37,740 --> 02:33:35,140
felt they were gonna come and get him

3441
02:33:39,530 --> 02:33:37,750
and eventually he says he thinks they

3442
02:33:41,609 --> 02:33:39,540
did and one day he just disappeared

3443
02:33:45,660 --> 02:33:41,619
sounds it sounds almost like a Twilight

3444
02:33:48,330 --> 02:33:45,670
Zone story yes it's so delightful I love

3445
02:33:50,700 --> 02:33:48,340
tales like that even the dark shadowy

3446
02:33:52,290 --> 02:33:50,710
ones it's what makes life interesting to

3447
02:33:56,460 --> 02:33:52,300
dig into all these things that's why

3448
02:33:57,990 --> 02:33:56,470
we're here at the pearly oh yeah one of

3449
02:33:59,760 --> 02:33:58,000
the best things about youth ology is

3450
02:34:02,969 --> 02:33:59,770
sticking into all of the different

3451
02:34:05,729 --> 02:34:02,979
theories and it can lead you into yep

3452
02:34:08,490 --> 02:34:05,739
adventure and intrigue and fiction but

3453
02:34:10,830 --> 02:34:08,500
it also has it can go the other way and

3454
02:34:12,359 --> 02:34:10,840
lead you into hard solid science as well

3455
02:34:14,969 --> 02:34:12,369
and yeah learning about space

3456
02:34:17,250 --> 02:34:14,979
exploration and what really goes on so

3457
02:34:20,370 --> 02:34:17,260
it's real wonderful you know the the the

3458
02:34:23,010 --> 02:34:20,380
ETS could be like the Bradbury story the

3459
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:23,020
Toynbee convector which the old man who

3460
02:34:27,179 --> 02:34:24,970
was famous for traveling through time

3461
02:34:28,769 --> 02:34:27,189
and he came back and he told the world

3462
02:34:31,349 --> 02:34:28,779
we did it we solved

3463
02:34:33,630 --> 02:34:31,359
you know we cured diseases we ended war

3464
02:34:35,460 --> 02:34:33,640
we built this perfect utopian society we

3465
02:34:38,250 --> 02:34:35,470
can do it we're gonna do it let's just

3466
02:34:40,319 --> 02:34:38,260
start now and everybody you know said

3467
02:34:42,450 --> 02:34:40,329
this is great and they gave up war and

3468
02:34:44,130 --> 02:34:42,460
they focused on curing diseases and they

3469
02:34:46,139 --> 02:34:44,140
built this utopia and then the day came

3470
02:34:48,599 --> 02:34:46,149
when Toynbee was very very old sitting

3471
02:34:51,630 --> 02:34:48,609
in his wheelchair then the world watched

3472
02:34:53,519 --> 02:34:51,640
you know on satellite TV or whatever and

3473
02:34:56,099 --> 02:34:53,529
that they waited for that moment where

3474
02:34:57,960 --> 02:34:56,109
time B's past self would flash across

3475
02:34:59,189 --> 02:34:57,970
the sky in his time machine and the

3476
02:35:00,960 --> 02:34:59,199
world is watching and they're waiting

3477
02:35:03,420 --> 02:35:00,970
and they're waiting and it doesn't

3478
02:35:05,189 --> 02:35:03,430
happen nobody sees anything and they

3479
02:35:11,460 --> 02:35:05,199
turned to Toynbee and he smiles and he

3480
02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:11,470
says I lied I kind of expected that was

3481
02:35:19,370 --> 02:35:14,250
where it was gonna go but boy sometimes

3482
02:35:24,269 --> 02:35:19,380
you know a lie with the best of purposes

3483
02:35:28,530 --> 02:35:24,279
make wonderful things happen I wonder if

3484
02:35:32,250 --> 02:35:28,540
sometimes the et theory about UFOs is

3485
02:35:34,290 --> 02:35:32,260
itself a lie but in cultural

3486
02:35:37,139 --> 02:35:34,300
conditioning not like the Air Force or

3487
02:35:40,620 --> 02:35:37,149
the CIA or some kind of black project

3488
02:35:44,189 --> 02:35:40,630
doing it but it's a lie to lead humans

3489
02:35:46,330 --> 02:35:44,199
into space we see here our evidence of

3490
02:35:48,849 --> 02:35:46,340
creatures possibly coming here

3491
02:35:51,460 --> 02:35:48,859
and thus we look spaceward we look and

3492
02:35:54,670 --> 02:35:51,470
we think oh well we can now explore

3493
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:54,680
other planets wow that planet may have

3494
02:36:02,260 --> 02:35:58,640
the conditions for life on it Wow we can

3495
02:36:04,810 --> 02:36:02,270
now take what was inspired by the Star

3496
02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:04,820
Trek TV show the possibility of warp

3497
02:36:10,179 --> 02:36:08,090
drive and get there not in a hundred

3498
02:36:12,910 --> 02:36:10,189
years but maybe in four hours

3499
02:36:15,280 --> 02:36:12,920
right I totally see your point and that

3500
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:15,290
that that could be a valid possibility

3501
02:36:19,810 --> 02:36:17,210
that you know we're being tormented by

3502
02:36:22,540 --> 02:36:19,820
this idea that there's someone out there

3503
02:36:24,849 --> 02:36:22,550
and such however my gut tells me my

3504
02:36:27,880 --> 02:36:24,859
intuition tells me in in sodas you know

3505
02:36:30,400 --> 02:36:27,890
throughout history that it might be more

3506
02:36:33,550 --> 02:36:30,410
on a case where I think they're indeed

3507
02:36:36,040 --> 02:36:33,560
out there maybe they kind of dip into

3508
02:36:38,679 --> 02:36:36,050
our pool once in a while to do the same

3509
02:36:41,320 --> 02:36:38,689
thing you just described to motivate us

3510
02:36:43,389 --> 02:36:41,330
to join them would be the way I look at

3511
02:36:45,880 --> 02:36:43,399
it because I most definitely am

3512
02:36:50,320 --> 02:36:45,890
convinced and in think that they're

3513
02:36:52,179 --> 02:36:50,330
there on myriad worlds absolutely well

3514
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:52,189
that's refreshing actually because you

3515
02:36:57,670 --> 02:36:54,800
know with all of the sort of down on the

3516
02:36:59,860 --> 02:36:57,680
ETH there we tend to hear from time to

3517
02:37:02,050 --> 02:36:59,870
time on the pair of constant you know we

3518
02:37:05,260 --> 02:37:02,060
know that there are people out there who

3519
02:37:07,480 --> 02:37:05,270
have no doubt that alien visitation is a

3520
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:07,490
reality and it's just a matter of well

3521
02:37:10,990 --> 02:37:09,200
how is it being done and how does it fit

3522
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:11,000
in with all of these interesting things

3523
02:37:14,500 --> 02:37:12,530
that you bring up Walter

3524
02:37:15,700 --> 02:37:14,510
I think it's a both/and situation I

3525
02:37:17,440 --> 02:37:15,710
think the things that you know I

3526
02:37:19,480 --> 02:37:17,450
proposed and others there are

3527
02:37:21,400 --> 02:37:19,490
alternatives to the ET hypothesis I

3528
02:37:23,469 --> 02:37:21,410
think they're viable and they're out

3529
02:37:26,080 --> 02:37:23,479
there but at the same time ET is indeed

3530
02:37:28,179 --> 02:37:26,090
out there I don't think one eliminates

3531
02:37:30,670 --> 02:37:28,189
the other I appreciate you guys having

3532
02:37:33,370 --> 02:37:30,680
me on again look forward to the next

3533
02:37:34,599 --> 02:37:33,380
time my book shimmering light can be

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found where all my books are found

3535
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that's it amazon.com on Kindle and the

3536
02:37:43,389 --> 02:37:40,520
printed versions can be at lulu.com lu

3537
02:37:46,360 --> 02:37:43,399
lu comm and occasionally you'll see me

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02:37:49,719 --> 02:37:46,370
to post interesting blogs on stuff at

3539
02:37:51,910 --> 02:37:49,729
Empire of the wheel blog spot.com again

3540
02:37:54,010 --> 02:37:51,920
go to my amazon authors page and you can

3541
02:37:55,780 --> 02:37:54,020
find the links to that there and in all

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3562
02:38:51,250 --> 02:38:47,010
Bosley thank you for joining us in the

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